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« on: May 26, 2011, 10:49:44 am »
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Good job, you slimey bunch of atheist gay communists!

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/26/vermont-governor-single-payer/

Last month, the Vermont Senate passed legislation, approved earlier by the House, that would establish a single payer health care system in the state. The legislation would make Vermont the first state in the nation to, as Gov. Peter Shumlin (D) said, make health care ďa right and not a privilege.Ē

The governorís office just confirmed for ThinkProgress that Shumlin signed the legislation into law this morning, making the state the first in American history to pass legislation that will establish a single payer health care system to provide care to all citizens. Now that the law is signed, Vermont will spend the next four years setting up the system and preparing it for implementation.

In order to actually enact the system, the state needs a waiver from the Affordable Care Act health reform law. Currently, the federal government will start handing out state waivers in 2017 ó three years after Vermont wants to implement its system. Rep. Peter Welch (D-VT) has introduced an amendment that would move the waiver date up to 2014, an idea that President Obama has endorsed.
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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2011, 11:12:32 am »
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http://www.slate.com/id/2293634/

I was going to post this article awhile back, but I didn't have enough posts then. This seems like as good an opportunity as ever to post it. 
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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2011, 11:28:39 am »
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I remain sceptical of single payer, but Shumlin and the Vermont Democrats certainly have a mandate to do it....so let's see how it goes.
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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2011, 11:32:06 am »
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In order to actually enact the system, the state needs a waiver from the Affordable Care Act health reform law.

What's the point of the waiver?  Is that like a state applying to the federal government for permission to forego the insurance exchange program, provided they can demonstrate a socialized medicine model that will cover at least as many residents as the exchange would have covered?  Something like that, maybe.

If that's the case, and if the US Supreme Court eventually rules that the federal insurance bill is unconstitutional, then it works in Vermont's favor, because such a ruling would nullify the requirement for the waiver, thereby allowing them to enact their plan on their own timetable.  On the other hand, they may begin to lose federal funding as a condition of the waiver, should the federal bill be upheld.  I'm not sure about the details of the state-federal partnerships though.
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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2011, 11:38:21 am »
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2011, 03:36:50 pm »
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This is what actual pro-life and family values look like.
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2011, 04:43:00 pm »
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Vermont didn't get to become the second-poorest state in the Northeast for nothing.
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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2011, 04:50:11 pm »
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This is what actual pro-life and family values look like.

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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2011, 04:50:58 pm »
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Vermont didn't get to become the second-poorest state in the Northeast for nothing.

Perhaps it should move itself closer to New York City or Boston.
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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2011, 04:55:43 pm »
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Vermont didn't get to become the second-poorest state in the Northeast for nothing.

I bet it's the fault of those damn illegal immigrants sneaking through the Canadian border and getting free education and health care.
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« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2011, 04:58:35 pm »
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This is what actual pro-life and family values look like.

Yes but at least the feds won't stop them on this one. Probably.
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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2011, 05:08:15 pm »
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Vermont didn't get to become the second-poorest state in the Northeast for nothing.

Perhaps it should move itself closer to New York City or Boston.

I haven't done very much research on NY, but if you're suggesting they become more like MA, what with our below-average taxes, below-average spending, capped property taxes, and the 9th lowest amount of state and local government employees (as a % of the population), I'd think that'd be a good start.

Vermont didn't get to become the second-poorest state in the Northeast for nothing.

I bet it's the fault of those damn illegal immigrants sneaking through the Canadian border and getting free education and health care.

Vermont is unique in that it has achieved becoming poor without having any minority populations of note (and by "minority populations" I of course mean "Catholics").  They've really made history.
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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2011, 05:13:26 pm »
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Vermont might be lower than average in New England, but it's certainly not poor by any reasonable or objective definition.
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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2011, 05:14:35 pm »
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Vermont might be lower than average in New England, but it's certainly not poor by any reasonable or objective definition.

Mississippi isn't poor by any reasonable or objective definition.  Vermont, however, is in fact the second-poorest state in the Northeast.
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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2011, 05:15:22 pm »
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Mississippi isn't poor by any reasonable or objective definition.  Vermont, however, is in fact the second-poorest state in the Northeast.

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Mississippi isn't poor by any reasonable or objective definition.  Vermont, however, is in fact the second-poorest state in the Northeast.

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I'm glad you admire my comic skills, and Mississippi is still richer than Greece.
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« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2011, 05:20:54 pm »
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Is Vermont poorer than any rural area equivalent in size and population? I imagine the opposite.
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« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2011, 05:27:00 pm »
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Mississippi isn't poor by any reasonable or objective definition.  Vermont, however, is in fact the second-poorest state in the Northeast.

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I'm glad you admire my comic skills, and Mississippi is still richer than Greece.

No it isn't.

And we don't marry our cousins.
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Mississippi isn't poor by any reasonable or objective definition.  Vermont, however, is in fact the second-poorest state in the Northeast.

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I'm glad you admire my comic skills, and Mississippi is still richer than Greece.

No it isn't.

And we don't marry our cousins.

2010 GDP per capita, Greece: $28,100
2010 GDP per capita, Mississippi: $33,000

And wrong stereotype (that's Appalachia).

Is Vermont poorer than any rural area equivalent in size and population? I imagine the opposite.

Alaska, Wyoming, Colorado, Minnesota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, North Dakota, Nevada, Oregon, and Kansas are all more rural than Vermont, and all are richer than Vermont.
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« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2011, 05:34:46 pm »
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Vermont didn't get to become the second-poorest state in the Northeast for nothing.

Perhaps it should move itself closer to New York City or Boston.

I haven't done very much research on NY, but if you're suggesting they become more like MA, what with our below-average taxes, below-average spending, capped property taxes, and the 9th lowest amount of state and local government employees (as a % of the population), I'd think that'd be a good start.

Vermont didn't get to become the second-poorest state in the Northeast for nothing.

I bet it's the fault of those damn illegal immigrants sneaking through the Canadian border and getting free education and health care.

Vermont is unique in that it has achieved becoming poor without having any minority populations of note (and by "minority populations" I of course mean "Catholics").  They've really made history.

I assume he was suggesting that major metropolitan areas tend to be richer. Vermont not only lacks one of these, but also lacks the suburbs of one (ie, NH has portions of suburban Boston, CT of suburban New York).
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« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2011, 05:38:55 pm »
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(ie, NH has portions of suburban Boston, CT of suburban New York).

Um, I'm not sure what's considered a "suburb" in Washington, but I wouldn't consider "an hour away" to count.  In any case, the area bordering NH is the poorest part of Massachusetts.
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« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2011, 05:41:02 pm »
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Mississippi isn't poor by any reasonable or objective definition.  Vermont, however, is in fact the second-poorest state in the Northeast.

Goldmined.

I'm glad you admire my comic skills, and Mississippi is still richer than Greece.

No it isn't.

And we don't marry our cousins.

2010 GDP per capita, Greece: $28,100
2010 GDP per capita, Mississippi: $33,000

And wrong stereotype (that's Appalachia).

Is Vermont poorer than any rural area equivalent in size and population? I imagine the opposite.

Alaska, Wyoming, Colorado, Minnesota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, North Dakota, Nevada, Oregon, and Kansas are all more rural than Vermont, and all are richer than Vermont.

AK ND SD and WY are welfare states. The rest have big cities.
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Alaska, Wyoming, Colorado, Minnesota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, North Dakota, Nevada, Oregon, and Kansas are all more rural than Vermont, and all are richer than Vermont.

If you are using GDP per capita this is true. By Human Development Index, however, Vermont is richer more developed (which at least TRIES to be a holistic quality of life measurement, even though it fails in several respects, unlike mere GDP, which only measures the amount of mammon that an area has) than every one of those states except Colorado and Minnesota. Maine, Pennsylvania, and Delaware have lower Human Development Indices than Vermont does.
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« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2011, 05:45:11 pm »
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Mississippi isn't poor by any reasonable or objective definition.  Vermont, however, is in fact the second-poorest state in the Northeast.

Goldmined.

I'm glad you admire my comic skills, and Mississippi is still richer than Greece.

No it isn't.

And we don't marry our cousins.

2010 GDP per capita, Greece: $28,100
2010 GDP per capita, Mississippi: $33,000

And wrong stereotype (that's Appalachia)..

Trust me dude. We're much better off than the sh**thole under the name "State of Mississippi".
Sometimes instead of looking numbers on your laptop screen, you must get out and experience the real world.
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« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2011, 05:47:33 pm »
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I've been to Greece and Mississippi...both more than once. Greece is in better shape.
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