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« Reply #100 on: June 18, 2011, 10:27:24 am »
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The issue of the governance of Pitfarris has been mentioned elsewhere; I'm fairly sure that Andrew intended the politics of Pitfarris to be (to an extent) a satire of the politics of contemporary Scotland, so an Assembly of some kind is as a given. Anyway, a proposal for the government structure, more generally:

Island of Pitfarris

1. Island Assembly (ideally a better name that someone else can come up with).

2. The four Counties and the City of Auldburgh.

3. Either very weak municipalities of some kind, or some variant on that weird divisional system Scottish local government used to have.

Island of Antillia

1. The five Regions and the five Cities.

2. Districts (in rural areas) and Municipalities (for the towns). Districts would have very little power, municipalities a little bit more.

3. Some form of parish/commune setup.


I was Cheesy I thought it was worth parodying given recent events (though no doubt the Scottish Government will out do it...) and the inability of the UK government (and opposition parties) to deal with the situation.

I'm happy with the Island Assembly which would ne unplayable. If people can trust me not to to use it for my advantage, I may assist with annoucing what that Assembly is up to if it affects the Antillian Parliament.

The four counties also contain 'burghs'; so yes it's a carryover of the pre-'74 arrangement.

Also remember Peterford and Lindsay are essentially 'English' in character.

So far, counties/towns i have are:

Sorland (North, 50,756) Main Town - Fairhairfjord
Vanaheimr (Far North, 50,485) Main Town - Freyjasby
 - I'm looking at making the topography mountainous in the north here, and thus mining is an old and current industry, fishing is still going to be big, heavily Nordansk speaking.

Kystenland (South Coastal east metro, 38,345) Main Town - Kaupangen
Aesirheimr (West, west metro, 30,681) Main Town - Godfridham
Vikingrlag (Metro, 25,349) Maint Town - Halfdanberg
 - These will be more like valleys, better farming areas. All southern, metro counties, wealthier, commuter to some degree but farming and sheep hearding are still important but dwindling due to influct of commuter communities.

Hvite Dalen (Far West, 11,773) Main Town St. Olaf
 - A valley between mountains to the north and south, heavily english, farming.

Kristiana - second largest city, royal city, cultural city (3 universities, museums, etc), trying to make it more an opposite of St. Marks which would be the economic and legislative centre of the country. Arts would be huge so i think TV production (home of the state owned network RTA), animation, IT would be new industries
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I quite like that Smiley It may be helpful for you to 'bastardise' the placenames a bit to make them sound Anglified.

So Aesirheimr could be Ashirhammer and Kaupangen could be Copangham etc.

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« Reply #101 on: June 18, 2011, 11:44:34 am »
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This is an administrative map. It's been done (a little unrealistically but aesthetically nice) to create either districts/burghs/wards of approx 10,000 people within the county divisions (wards for the cities) The Red and Blue map is a varying map of left v right economics; right wing rural areas, left wing urban areas, middle class bits to the west of cities etc.

The Red, Blue and Green map is a 'parity' map'; where if the left block, right block and nationalists would 'win' if they got a third of the vote share each.
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« Reply #102 on: June 18, 2011, 01:05:54 pm »
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It might be more fun and worthwhile for the game if Pitfarris had no assembly yet, and was instead working to get a special devolved arrangement/statute of autonomy.
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« Reply #103 on: June 18, 2011, 01:23:44 pm »
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It might be more fun and worthwhile for the game if Pitfarris had no assembly yet, and was instead working to get a special devolved arrangement/statute of autonomy.

I'd be on board with that.
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« Reply #104 on: June 18, 2011, 01:59:23 pm »
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The Red, Blue and Green map is a 'parity' map'; where if the left block, right block and nationalists would 'win' if they got a third of the vote share each.

Are the liberals to be counted with the right block?
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« Reply #105 on: June 18, 2011, 02:58:47 pm »
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The Red, Blue and Green map is a 'parity' map'; where if the left block, right block and nationalists would 'win' if they got a third of the vote share each.

Are the liberals to be counted with the right block?

In all honesty, it's simply hypothetical. The party situation isn't too clear.
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« Reply #106 on: June 18, 2011, 03:02:47 pm »
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It might be more fun and worthwhile for the game if Pitfarris had no assembly yet, and was instead working to get a special devolved arrangement/statute of autonomy.

I'd be concerned that would be bogged down with laws concerning the creation of an assembly that ends up unplayable anyway. I'd be happy with an Assembly with limited powers to start off with; probably even slightly less than Wales was given in 1999.
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« Reply #107 on: June 18, 2011, 05:56:31 pm »
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Kristiana - second largest city, royal city, cultural city (3 universities, museums, etc), trying to make it more an opposite of St. Marks which would be the economic and legislative centre of the country. Arts would be huge so i think TV production (home of the state owned network RTA), animation, IT would be new industries
thoughts?

Yeah, I think that works, especially if its supposed to be the place where a New Left party is strongest. Without wanting to change the overall picture, a couple of suggested details; you could make it the former capital (with the switch to St Marks happening because... er... Colonial associations with Kristiana? That kind of thing), say. It's also an obvious location for a resort and there would have been some kind of port there at some point, even if its no longer working.
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« Reply #108 on: June 18, 2011, 06:53:26 pm »
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These are traditional divisions and have no relationship whatsover with current population patterns. They will, though, be used as the basis for local government areas within the region. The names are all Marches dialect words, fwiw.
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« Reply #109 on: June 18, 2011, 06:55:51 pm »
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What are the fonts you've used there?
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« Reply #110 on: June 18, 2011, 06:59:46 pm »
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The main one is Bell MT. The little bit in the bottom right corner is Cantzley AD1600.
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« Reply #111 on: June 19, 2011, 01:47:50 pm »
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Kristiana - second largest city, royal city, cultural city (3 universities, museums, etc), trying to make it more an opposite of St. Marks which would be the economic and legislative centre of the country. Arts would be huge so i think TV production (home of the state owned network RTA), animation, IT would be new industries
thoughts?

Yeah, I think that works, especially if its supposed to be the place where a New Left party is strongest. Without wanting to change the overall picture, a couple of suggested details; you could make it the former capital (with the switch to St Marks happening because... er... Colonial associations with Kristiana? That kind of thing), say. It's also an obvious location for a resort and there would have been some kind of port there at some point, even if its no longer working.

Exactly my thoughts... i should stop trying to be a perfectionist and post already... but yes i thought kristiana would have been the first capital of all the more Nordan regions before becoming a more english island...
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« Reply #112 on: June 19, 2011, 02:36:27 pm »
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... trying to post images... i have a topography map in my pictures, just its not posting? can anyone help? Smiley

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« Reply #113 on: June 19, 2011, 02:38:20 pm »
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Where are you trying to upload it to?
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« Reply #114 on: June 19, 2011, 03:02:29 pm »
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trying to post it here... from my pictures in my profile... ya still new Tongue
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« Reply #115 on: June 19, 2011, 05:09:49 pm »
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The Red, Blue and Green map is a 'parity' map'; where if the left block, right block and nationalists would 'win' if they got a third of the vote share each.

Are the liberals to be counted with the right block?

In all honesty, it's simply hypothetical. The party situation isn't too clear.

I can try and clear it, let me know if everyone agrees

Social Democrats - Third way, centre-left similar to UK Labour party
Popular Movement Party - Christian Democratic, centre-right
Liberal Party - Europe Liberal, similer to German Free Democrats or Italy s old radicals
Pitfarris Nationalist Party - Nationalist, but not sure leaning, probably secondary anyway
Cooperative Party - New left-green-left, like Dutch Green Left adn Danish Socialist peoples
Independents - 4
National Patriot Party - Like UKIP, right wing, anti-immigrant, pro-business
 
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« Reply #116 on: June 19, 2011, 07:31:47 pm »
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How can I be part of this without being an MP? News Paper? Other function? If we're doing some sort of PR I have a great D'Hondt calculater in Excell, I'd be happy to help with that in some way. Grin

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How can I be part of this without being an MP? News Paper? Other function? If we're doing some sort of PR I have a great D'Hondt calculater in Excell, I'd be happy to help with that in some way. Grin



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« Reply #118 on: June 19, 2011, 07:37:43 pm »
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Local government areas in Peterford:



Based on the structure of local government in England and Wales before 1974, as hinted at already. Most of the RDs have hardly any inhabitants; the principle exception would be those bordering Fellsands. Dark green areas are detached parts of other RDs.
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« Reply #119 on: June 19, 2011, 07:39:04 pm »
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How can I be part of this without being an MP? News Paper? Other function? If we're doing some sort of PR I have a great D'Hondt calculater in Excell, I'd be happy to help with that in some way. Grin



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How can I be part of this without being an MP? News Paper? Other function? If we're doing some sort of PR I have a great D'Hondt calculater in Excell, I'd be happy to help with that in some way. Grin



I'd be more than happy to have you assist the royal family and assist me should I be given GM responsibilities.
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« Reply #121 on: June 19, 2011, 07:47:19 pm »
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How can I be part of this without being an MP? News Paper? Other function? If we're doing some sort of PR I have a great D'Hondt calculater in Excell, I'd be happy to help with that in some way. Grin



I'd be more than happy to have you assist the royal family and assist me should I be given GM responsibilities.

Hmm if you don't feel like being responsible for generating elections, I could be some sort of Indipendant Administrative Election Agency/Pollster. But I'm willing to assist the Crown and the GM in any way his majesty wishes. Smiley 
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« Reply #122 on: June 19, 2011, 08:03:09 pm »
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If someone would like to help me figure out Marksland, it'd be much appreciated.
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« Reply #123 on: June 19, 2011, 08:13:08 pm »
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You mean Permanent Secretary of the Prime Minister's Office? Tongue


Possibly. That kind of thing though.

If someone would like to help me figure out Marksland, it'd be much appreciated.

What kind of things would you like... er... figuring out?
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« Reply #124 on: June 19, 2011, 08:17:14 pm »
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If someone would like to help me figure out Marksland, it'd be much appreciated.

Let me help you get started, i would think that Marksland is some what similar to Bronseland but not as Nordic... ive started to write up Bronseland and made note "...The Danish Vikings in what would become Marksland..." So its location being more southerly facing i'd assume the danish to be the first settlers. But since it borders Lindsay, it would be a very mixed Region, where the English and Nordan (name of the scandianavian peoples of Antilla, they speak Nordanks) are pretty even, if not the edge to the english.
I put a topographic map in my images, gave it one large mountain, but its mostly coastal good for farming ang fishing...

St. Marks, is the Largest city, national capital... i would then assume the centre of business and politics as well, probably more friendly to the Liberals and Popular Movement but would have strong areas for the Social Democrats to do well, maybe one area where the Cooperatives could win.... I'm modelling it as an opposite to Kristiana (being the Royal capital, heavy on the cuture)
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