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« Reply #325 on: April 19, 2013, 12:28:59 pm »
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The audit will take a month, BTW. Shudder to think what the regime will do over that time.
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« Reply #326 on: April 19, 2013, 02:25:27 pm »
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The audit will take a month, BTW. Shudder to think what the regime will do over that time.

It won't do anything if the opposition keeps calm and waits for official results. If the opposition wants to protest, they can. But they killed 7 people the other day, that's not pacific. If that happened anywhere in Europe, protest would be restrained as well.
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« Reply #327 on: April 19, 2013, 02:31:52 pm »
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Who killed 7 people?

Anyways, there was a massive security breach at the "inauguration." Some guy rushed the stage, pushed Maduro aside and shouted something into a microphone.
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« Reply #328 on: April 19, 2013, 04:07:10 pm »
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Maduro in his "inaugural" speech: Dunno how long I'll be president.
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« Reply #329 on: April 19, 2013, 05:49:06 pm »
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Who killed 7 people?

This seriously passed you by?

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/04/16/uk-venezuela-election-idUKBRE93C0B220130416
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« Reply #330 on: April 19, 2013, 05:51:22 pm »


We should take this with a grain of salt, perhaps, given that the government/chavistas lied about "opposition mobs" viciously attacking two outpatient clinics.
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« Reply #331 on: April 19, 2013, 06:09:12 pm »
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Different kettle of fish claiming deaths, no? Namely there'd have to be victims bodies, evidence etc. This video suggests the news are reporting on their deaths - wouldn't they playing them down as a nondescript statistic if they were false? Actually, are the opposition contesting them?
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« Reply #332 on: April 19, 2013, 07:53:18 pm »
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According to some reports, the father of one of those 7, I believe, has said that his son was, indeed, killed - by the chavista thugs, as the two of them were together, protesting against the government victory declaration. So, at the very least, I'd be very cautious about bringing this up.
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« Reply #333 on: April 19, 2013, 07:55:08 pm »
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Think this is one of those moments when facts become essentially partisan things. Better to treat everything with caution.
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« Reply #334 on: April 19, 2013, 07:56:49 pm »
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Think this is one of those moments when facts become essentially partisan things. Better to treat everything with caution.

True. But, at least, one thing is not in question (since it has long been known): there is a side that has paramilitary groups at its disposal - and that side isn't the opposition. Nor is the opposition in the control of the military and/or law-enforcement.
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« Reply #335 on: April 19, 2013, 08:01:00 pm »
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Think this is one of those moments when facts become essentially partisan things. Better to treat everything with caution.

True. But, at least, one thing is not in question (since it has long been known): there is a side that has paramilitary groups at its disposal - and that side isn't the opposition. Nor is the opposition in the control of the military and/or law-enforcement.

Of course, of course.
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« Reply #336 on: April 19, 2013, 08:03:18 pm »
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Different kettle of fish claiming deaths, no? Namely there'd have to be victims bodies, evidence etc. This video suggests the news are reporting on their deaths - wouldn't they playing them down as a nondescript statistic if they were false? Actually, are the opposition contesting them?

From what I have seen, the opposition believes these to be caused by the government thugs.
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