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« Reply #450 on: August 16, 2012, 06:44:57 am »
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4 candidates: Trudeau, Garneau, Hall Findlay, McGuinty. That should be enough. 

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-canadienne/201208/15/01-4565438-justin-trudeau-un-candidat-intimidant.php
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« Reply #451 on: August 18, 2012, 07:17:40 pm »
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Trudeau's strategy.

http://o.canada.com/2012/08/17/electrifying-and-elusive-justin-trudeau-quietly-mulls-his-political-destiny/

Hard debt caps. Paging MHF.

http://www.hilltimes.com/news/2012/08/17/liberals-to-cap-debt-limit-on-leadership-campaign-says-caucus-chair/31855
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« Reply #452 on: August 20, 2012, 01:25:05 pm »
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More likely Coderre runs for mayor. Tremblay's out next year unless he says otherwise. Good riddance.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/08/20/montreal-denis-coderre-liberal-leadership-montreal-mayor.html
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« Reply #453 on: August 30, 2012, 12:48:21 pm »
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MHF is certainly gearing up.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/08/30/dan-arnold-liberals-dawdle-towards-search-for-new-leader/

Per Don Martin on Twitter, Trudeau won't be announcing during the caucus retreat next week. Probably for Quebec election reasons- my guess is late Sept/early Oct like Mulcair last year.
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« Reply #454 on: September 02, 2012, 06:29:34 pm »
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IMO: Mulcair's timeline or thereabouts and the answer is yes.

http://www.windsorstar.com/news/Trudeaumania%2Bcould%2Bhelp%2BLiberals%2Bback%2Btrack/7181306/story.html
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« Reply #455 on: September 05, 2012, 02:37:36 pm »
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Debt cap of $75,000, spending limit of $750,000. Tomorrow we should get the election mechanism.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/new-liberal-leadership-rules-to-limit-debt-candidates-can-take-on/article4520187/
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« Reply #456 on: September 05, 2012, 08:21:27 pm »
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When I saw this thread active, I wondered if someone posted suggesting that Jean Charest run for the Liberal leadership...
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« Reply #457 on: September 06, 2012, 07:44:35 am »
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« Reply #458 on: September 06, 2012, 10:44:59 am »
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$950k spending cap and $75k entrance fee. Election will be held April 14, 2013.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1252147--federal-liberals-to-elect-new-leader-in-april-2014

Update from Rae/Crawley presser: previous debt won't officially count, but the tone was of strong discouragement for indebted candidates (i.e. MHF). Details of debates, venue etc. will be unveiled in coming weeks/days.
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« Reply #459 on: September 06, 2012, 02:22:35 pm »
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All but official: Trudeau's in.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/09/06/john-ivison-justin-trudeau-will-run-for-liberal-leadership/
 
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« Reply #460 on: September 07, 2012, 04:04:08 pm »
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Who exactly does JT appeal to?   The Liberals need to win back the "blue Liberals" who defected big time post-Martin.  People like Manley and McKenna who would be more appealing have been out of politics for too long and are far too happy making millions in the private sector.  JT in contrast comes as very flaky and I imagine if he tries to say "I'm socially progressive but unlike the NDP I'm fiscally responsible" it will impress nobody.  Mulcair has essentially turned the NDP into a big-tent progressive party (and less of a traditional social democratic party) and is a major threat to the PET/Chretien wing; being the far bigger party also robs the Liberals of their old argument for strategic voting "we're big and they're small."

At least Deborah Coyne has presented serious proposals and seems like the kind of person who could appeal to the "too educated to vote Tory, too bourgeois to vote NDP" demographic (if only she had ever been elected to anything!)

The fact that this looks like a coronation for Justin does not look good for the LPC.
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« Reply #461 on: September 07, 2012, 05:06:32 pm »
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At least Deborah Coyne has presented serious proposals and seems like the kind of person who could appeal to the "too educated to vote Tory, too bourgeois to vote NDP" demographic (if only she had ever been elected to anything!)

Basically the same as our Liberal Party.
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« Reply #462 on: September 07, 2012, 05:11:50 pm »
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Forum has some answers to your demographic question.

http://www.forumresearch.com/forms/News%20Archives/News%20Releases/00294_Canada-wide_-_Federal_Political_Issues_(Forum_Research).pdf
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« Reply #463 on: September 08, 2012, 11:55:56 am »
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Justin is an object of ridicule yet again. He exhibited remarkably poor political judgement this week and recorded robo-calls for the Ontario Liberals in the provincial byelection in Kitchener_waterloo where he said if Kitchener-Waterloo elected an NDP MPP in the byelection it would lead to the break up of Canada (PS: The NDP won easily and the Liberals were humiliated)...even Liberals are groaning. This from a guy who said just months ago that he thinks that Quebec shoudl separate if Harper is re-elected in 2015.

Justin is a boy not a man, he has zero gravitas and zero qualifiactions. Caveat emptor Liberals.
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« Reply #464 on: September 08, 2012, 03:48:22 pm »
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One MP who shall remain nameless told me that Trudeau inherited his flakiness from his mother.
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« Reply #465 on: September 08, 2012, 05:16:41 pm »
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Perhaps a Trudeau leadership won't be so bad - maybe the Tories could even agree to that. Smiley
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« Reply #466 on: September 08, 2012, 06:52:09 pm »
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Perhaps a Trudeau leadership won't be so bad - maybe the Tories could even agree to that. Smiley

So something like BC, provincially?
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« Reply #467 on: September 13, 2012, 08:47:48 am »
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All-Quebec battle between Trudeau, Garneau, Cauchon. No idea how they consider Cauchon to have playah status, but that's just me.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-canadienne/201209/13/01-4573581-plc-trudeau-garneau-et-cauchon-dans-la-course.php

Trudeau: I like the rules but won't be announcing quite yet. IOW, publicly confirming what he leaked to Ivison a week ago.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-canadienne/201209/13/01-4573581-plc-trudeau-garneau-et-cauchon-dans-la-course.php
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« Reply #468 on: September 26, 2012, 08:38:54 am »
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T-6, Trudeau will announce next Tuesday in his riding.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-canadienne/201209/25/01-4577557-course-a-la-direction-du-plc-justin-trudeau-sera-candidat.php
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« Reply #469 on: September 26, 2012, 10:25:38 am »
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Justin Trudeau will do for the federal Liberals what Christy Clark did for the BC Liberals. They are very much cut from the same cloth!
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« Reply #470 on: September 27, 2012, 02:05:32 pm »
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http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/09/27/with-justin-trudeau-as-their-leader-liberals-could-easily-win-federal-election-exclusive-poll/

According to this poll, the Liberal fantasy that the "Orange Wave" is a blip and Canadians will drop the NDP like a hot potato to vote for Justin is true and return to their "natural party of government" is true!
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« Reply #471 on: September 27, 2012, 02:10:01 pm »
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LOL Environics given their AB/QC results.
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« Reply #472 on: September 27, 2012, 04:59:33 pm »
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Ahahaha. Grab the popcorn! Justin should thank his hair and his dear old daddy, and hope that voters don't realize that it's all he's got. But luckily for him, they probably won't.
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« Reply #473 on: September 27, 2012, 09:58:47 pm »
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« Reply #474 on: September 28, 2012, 06:26:05 pm »
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Yet you have to wonder. Here’s a party that, after its most recent drubbing, swore on Laurier’s grave that it would be thinking long and deep about its place in the world, what it stands for and what it believes, and wouldn’t be coming back to Canadians for their vote until it had some good solid answers, and policies to go along with them. Now Justin wiggles by and they’re begging shamelessly for a kiss. Just consider what it all says about them:

1. After the Ignatieff debacle they swore off coronations, pledging they’d learned their lesson. Now they’re ready to hand Justin the crown the moment he asks for it.

2. Rather than sort out a solid package of policies and principles, they’re happy to pick the leader first and agree to believe whatever he believes. In Justin’s case this is particularly risky – you could even say foolhardy – given how few utterances he has made on any of the issues.

3. Admittedly the Liberals don’t have the bench strength they once enjoyed, but they’re not totally without alternatives. While the party is throwing itself at Justin, it’s ignoring the lonely astronaut in the corner. Marc Garneau – who may or may not run now that Trudeau is in the race – is an engineer, a rocket scientist, boasts a degree in electrical engineering from the Imperial College of Science and Technology in London, and was the first Canadian in space. Justin Trudeau is a dabbler – he dabbled in teaching, dabbled in the arts, dabbled in acting, dabbled in activism. Now he’s dabbling in politics. Which of these two men would you rather have by your side in a crisis?

4. Once again the party is betting on the star candidate, the rock star, the name that will get a few fast headlines. Sound familiar? Michael Ignatieff at least had credentials – intellectual, author, historian, Harvard professor. Yet couldn’t pull it off. Is charisma and great hair enough of a substitute.

5. If the party really thought he was that hot a commodity, don’t you think he’d have got a weightier portfolio than critic for Youth, Post-Secondary Education, and Amateur Sport?
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