Canadian Liberal Leadership Election 2013

[RogueBeaver]

2nd question: What do you answer to anti-Liberal progressives.

Garneau: Understand your frustration, but no cooperation. We're Grits, not Dippers!

Coyne: No cooperation.

Cauchon: LPC greatest democratic institution in the world (ROFLMAO). Non-ideological pragmatism.

Bertschi: No merger.

MHF: We are fiscally and socially responsible.

Yep, but too many candidates on stage.

[RogueBeaver]

Murray: Cooperate!

Open debate.

[RogueBeaver]

Garneau: Switch the voting system to preferential balloting.

MHF: Yes.

Trudeau: Thanks for that, we talked about this last year. Great idea but we need to focus on rebuilding our party.

Cauchon: Same thing.

Murray's getting hit from all sides for this cooperation idea like Cullen was. MHF even said "where's your confidence" in those precise words.

[RogueBeaver]

MHF/Cauchon/Coyne: King won in 1926 (!) partly on joint tickets. Would you do the same?

Coyne: No.

MHF: No, I'm a proud Grit. Have some confidence. Fiscally & socially responsible.

Cauchon: 338 candidates full stop.

[RogueBeaver]

Plan for transitioning away from fossil fuels?

Garneau: Space reference, disincentives to pollute.

Bertschi: Shot at Garneau's astronomy. (WTF?)

[RogueBeaver]

Murray/Trudeau/McCrimmon. Another (!) question on coop.

McCrimmon: National petitions, then send it off to parties for study.

Trudeau: Preferential ballot, no coop. Made a decent case for it.

Murray: Throw out Harper!

Trudeau: Important, but what values would you jettison? No polarization.

McCrimmon: We need to regain trust, this plan would look like a cheap power play.

[RogueBeaver]

Social housing.

Trudeau: Coordinate infrastructure investment.

Bertschi: Work with the private sector to do that.

[RogueBeaver]

Economic development for aboriginals.

McCrimmon: Consultations, partnerships, resource sharing, common vision.

Cauchon: Empowerment. Tearing up Kelowna Accord, won't let Harper tear up social fabric.

Takach: Harper bad economist.

[RogueBeaver]

Garneau/MHF/Trudeau on housing. Question: Horrible housing but at least I had somewhere to live. What creative ideas do you have on social housing?

Garneau: Need to do more, see it in my riding.

Trudeau: Need stronger economy through middle-class jobs, not just stats.


Garneau: Need compassion, change govt because it wants to get out of housing.

Trudeau: Right doesn't believe in sharing, left doesn't believe in sustainability. Need both.

MHF: There's an economic cost to these social problems.

[Zioneer]

Is it just me, or does JT have no intellectual weight whatsoever? From what I've seen of him (admittedly little), he seems to be coasting on charisma and his father's image. Again, I have very little experience with Canadian politics and personalities, but Justin Trudeau seems to be a (charismatic and good at fundraising) lightweight.

[RogueBeaver]

I'll put it this way. Is he a wonk? No. Is he dumb? No. Street smarts? You bet. Marc Garneau is quite literally a rocket scientist, but his political skills are somewhat different.

In terms of who "won": I'd agree with Ibbitson and Den Tandt. MHF or Garneau on points, but nothing changed.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/liberal-leadership-debate-stays-on-script/article7569800/

http://www.canada.com/Tepid%2BLiberal%2Bleadership%2Bdebate%2Bchange%2Banyone%2Bmind%2Babout%2Banything/7846728/story.html

[DL]

Is it just me, or does JT have no intellectual weight whatsoever? From what I've seen of him (admittedly little), he seems to be coasting on charisma and his father's image. Again, I have very little experience with Canadian politics and personalities, but Justin Trudeau seems to be a (charismatic and good at fundraising) lightweight.

That is a good description of Justin. he clearly takes after his mother Margaret much more than his father...he just mouths a lot of vapid platitudes and tosses his hair a lot. 

[RogueBeaver]

Fundraising.

http://www.punditsguide.ca/2013/01/trudeau-q4-fundraising-juggernaut-signals-beginning-of-the-end-of-the-liberal-leadership-race/

Saturday is a series of interviews. Halifax a town hall.

http://www.hilltimes.com/news/politics/2013/01/31/liberals-opt-for-individual-tv-interviews-not-tv-debates-in-winnipeg-say-it%E2%80%99s/33522

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Well, I'm voting for Martha. Because I can.

[Hatman 🍁]

Well, I'm voting for Martha. Because I can.

lol

[RogueBeaver]

Valeriote endorsed Trudeau today.

[Hash]

Yeah, I'm actually signed up to vote in this thing; but I'm not in love with any of the candidates. I have no clue who I'll actually vote for. Of course, I can't bring myself to care about this.

[Hatman 🍁]

Yeah, I'm actually signed up to vote in this thing; but I'm not in love with any of the candidates. I have no clue who I'll actually vote for. Of course, I can't bring myself to care about this.

Why not Trudeau? He's an awful pill to swallow, but he's your only hope.

[Zanas]

Somehow I would think that Justin Trudeau would be exactly the kind of politician and person that would make Hash throw up.

[RogueBeaver]

Only outstanding endorsements left are Belanger and Brison.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2013/02/07/pol-trudeau-most-mp-support-leadership.html

[Hatman 🍁]

Somehow I would think that Justin Trudeau would be exactly the kind of politician and person that would make Hash throw up.

Yes, but he has no choice if he wants to be a Liberal and wants the Liberals to win.

[RogueBeaver]

Sgro has unofficially endorsed Garneau, Copps Trudeau. So that leaves Belanger and Brison.

[King of Kensington]

Garneau strikes me as another Ken Dryden. 

It seems to me that MHF seems to be doing pretty well in the debates and may be squeezing out Garneau in terms of carrying the flag of "blue Liberalism."

[RogueBeaver]

In terms of voting intentions, no. Otherwise agreed. Dunno who'll come in second.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

RogueBeaver, do you actually like Trudeau?