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« Reply #250 on: February 10, 2012, 08:04:22 am »
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Keep it to likely candidates. Even then, Rae would still be far ahead.

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/Liberals%2Breach%2Bpost%2Belection%2Bhigh%2BTories%2Brule%2Bpolls/6130773/story.html

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« Reply #251 on: February 12, 2012, 08:20:38 pm »
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Rae gets a Conrad Black endorsement.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/02/11/conrad-black-a-few-of-my-favourite-things-in-canadian-politics/#more-67287


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« Reply #252 on: February 13, 2012, 08:22:31 am »
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Gah, is that not some kiss of death right there?
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« Reply #253 on: February 13, 2012, 12:17:01 pm »
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Kennedy's French is inadequate and LeBland is their own Ed Miliband.
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« Reply #254 on: March 08, 2012, 12:11:22 am »
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With the Dipper race wrapping up in 2 weeks, hopefully we'll get some news here soon. If Mulcair loses, then non-Rae candidates will have a slightly easier time deciding whether or not to run. If Mulcair wins then Rae's hammerlock becomes even tighter than it is already.

Thing is I don't see anyone running against Rae ATM. Kennedy might jump in but even that's doubtful. Would he really run against Rae? McGuinty, Garneau and LeBland I don't see running because they're too loyal and realistic. Brison has already ruled it out for family reasons, even before it was clear that Rae was running.
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« Reply #255 on: March 20, 2012, 03:56:43 pm »
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Best of luck, but no one's unseating Rae.

http://www.ipolitics.ca/2012/03/19/gerard-kennedy/
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« Reply #256 on: March 22, 2012, 04:10:40 pm »
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Hopefully this happens.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Politics/20120322/liberals-push-ahead-leadership-vote-120322/
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« Reply #257 on: March 25, 2012, 12:14:26 pm »
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Does Mulcair's election change the dynamic? I think it further solidifies Rae's grip on the leadership myself.
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« Reply #258 on: March 25, 2012, 01:02:34 pm »
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Only if Rae doesn't run can they get Kennedy.

http://blogs.canoe.ca/davidakin/politics/political-leaders-gender-and-age-the-context-for-decisions-the-liberals-must-make/

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« Reply #259 on: March 30, 2012, 09:44:53 pm »
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No one has any thoughts? :Sad:
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« Reply #260 on: April 03, 2012, 07:14:51 pm »
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For Liberal leader lets wait and see.  With Mulcair being more centrist, maybe they will move more to the right than left figuring their best shot is to pick up soft Conservative supporters rather than soft NDP supporters.  Or perhaps they will choose Rae and with the ideological gap between the parties being largely eliminated, they will end up merging eventually.
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« Reply #261 on: April 03, 2012, 07:20:24 pm »
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That's exactly what Brison has been doing in rewriting their economic platform. After Saturday's events, now the Anglo media is yet again suggesting that Trudeau will jump in despite his consistent "a la prochaine" stance.
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« Reply #262 on: April 03, 2012, 07:40:03 pm »
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That's exactly what Brison has been doing in rewriting their economic platform. After Saturday's events, now the Anglo media is yet again suggesting that Trudeau will jump in despite his consistent "a la prochaine" stance.

I think Trudeau being a child while his father was PM probably realizes how little he saw him and doesn't want his children to experience the same.  He has stated as a father of young children, he has no interest in running at this point.  Besides he is only as well known as well as he is due to his family name, not anything he has done and once put under the microscope he would probably disappoint.  The fact Dion, Ignatieff, and Rae were all reluctant to give him prominent positions probably says what they think of his capabilities.  They only use him during campaigns as some people still love the Trudeau name and will vote for the party based on him.
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« Reply #263 on: April 03, 2012, 07:47:29 pm »
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Iggy gave him the Immigration portfolio, and even his critics conceded he performed well there. But you're right- he doesn't want the job right now because his kids are too young and he's insufficiently experienced. The goal is 24 Sussex, something he restated just last week.

Of those who are interested, I think it comes down to Rae and Kennedy, maybe Martha Hall Findlay. No one else who previously expressed interest in caucus would, IMO, run against Rae. Brison is invaluable where he is, and besides the base wouldn't trust him to do what he's doing without "supervision."
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« Reply #264 on: April 03, 2012, 11:06:42 pm »
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I think the Liberals will be running in more of a Libertarian direction, trying to move to the left of the NDP on social issues, while remaining on the right on economic issues. There may be a significant population of Canadians are are libertarian leaning that wont vote Tory because of Social issues.
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« Reply #265 on: April 03, 2012, 11:56:09 pm »
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In other words the Liberals will be the "boutique" party for people who are too smart o toe conservative and too rich o toe NDP!
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« Reply #266 on: April 04, 2012, 12:07:26 am »
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In other words the Liberals will be the "boutique" party for people who are too smart o toe conservative and too rich o toe NDP!

Could work in the suburbs as well as some of the uber wealthy urban ridings.  Although I think this might seem like the logical direction to go, there still is a very strong element amongst the older guard who favour an activist government and still assume (perhaps rightly or maybe wrongly) we will see things return to normal next time around.
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« Reply #267 on: April 04, 2012, 07:27:21 am »
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The SK Liberal Party tried a Libertarian platform, but that backfired horribly. But then again, SK is not a hotbed for Libertarianism.
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« Reply #268 on: April 04, 2012, 04:24:29 pm »
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For Liberal leader lets wait and see.  With Mulcair being more centrist, maybe they will move more to the right than left figuring their best shot is to pick up soft Conservative supporters rather than soft NDP supporters.  Or perhaps they will choose Rae and with the ideological gap between the parties being largely eliminated, they will end up merging eventually.
Why has there been so much merger talk lately?
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« Reply #269 on: April 04, 2012, 04:37:32 pm »
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For Liberal leader lets wait and see.  With Mulcair being more centrist, maybe they will move more to the right than left figuring their best shot is to pick up soft Conservative supporters rather than soft NDP supporters.  Or perhaps they will choose Rae and with the ideological gap between the parties being largely eliminated, they will end up merging eventually.
Why has there been so much merger talk lately?

It's a Toronto media fetish which no one in either party takes seriously. That and Mulcair's centrism being overrated by said journos. They basically see him as either Tony Blair or Paul Keating depending on the day. And as usual, Toronto is wrong.
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« Reply #270 on: April 04, 2012, 05:01:59 pm »
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For Liberal leader lets wait and see.  With Mulcair being more centrist, maybe they will move more to the right than left figuring their best shot is to pick up soft Conservative supporters rather than soft NDP supporters.  Or perhaps they will choose Rae and with the ideological gap between the parties being largely eliminated, they will end up merging eventually.
Why has there been so much merger talk lately?

Because many believe that much like on the right that is the only realistic way to win.  The PCs and Reform/Alliance back in the 90s stood fully against the idea of the merger, but yet eventually they did merge and look how well it worked out.  Chretien thinks its a good idea and like him or not, he is one who knows how to win.  You will also notice he made sure he never angered the two parties on the right enough to force them to merge as he knew full well he would be in trouble if it happened.  I wouldn't vote for such party, but fully support the idea and actually believe it will eventually happen.  The other possibility is to run paper candidates in ridings where the party is weak and the other is strong and then form a coalition after the election.
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« Reply #271 on: April 04, 2012, 05:08:07 pm »
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Even if the Liberals remain the third party in 2015, they might not merge. Look at the UK Liberals after they permanently lost un des deux status.

Speaking of Bob Rae, why he has been whining nonstop ever since Mulcair's election? It's unseemly for a man of his calibre and experience. If he's that thin-skinned now, I can only imagine what he'll do once the ad barrage goes up in Ontario.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/04/tension-between-ndp-liberals-as-rae-calls-mulcair-a-mini-harper/
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« Reply #272 on: April 04, 2012, 05:11:44 pm »
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Even if the Liberals remain the third party in 2015, they might not merge. Look at the UK Liberals after they permanently lost un des deux status.

Speaking of Bob Rae, why he has been whining nonstop ever since Mulcair's election? It's unseemly for a man of his calibre and experience. If he's that thin-skinned now, I can only imagine what he'll do once the ad barrage goes up in Ontario.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/04/tension-between-ndp-liberals-as-rae-calls-mulcair-a-mini-harper/

Depends on the numbers.  If similar to 2003 for the Alliance and PCs they might very well as in 2003 the PCs were struggling just to stay afloat, while the Alliance was in no threat of going under, but they also realized they had no chance at winning on their own so if the 2015 election puts the NDP in the position the Alliance was in 2003 and the Liberals are in the position the PCs were in 2003, I think its is highly probable they will merge.  Also I should note Rae comes from the Chretien wing and they are generally pro-merger as opposed to the Martin wing which is generally against it.
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« Reply #273 on: April 04, 2012, 07:25:20 pm »
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I've my doubts about such a merger actively taking place; because unlike the PC/Reform situation, the Liberal-NDP situation isn't the product of schism--and besides, the Liberals have been perfectly capable in the past of winning government even with the NDP pushing 20%.  And above all, it ducks the issue regarding reducing the Conservative vote, as opposed to piling on it in the awkward name of a united front....
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« Reply #274 on: April 04, 2012, 11:27:55 pm »
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Why would the NDP have any interest in merging with the Liberals when all the polls show the NDP already dead even with the Tories even with the Liberals still staggering through their death rattle with 19% of the vote. It was a totally different situation when the PCs and the Canadian Alliance merged in 2003. The Liberals under Paul Martin were consistently polling over 50% and the PCs and Tories were both in the teens. They realized that merging was the only way to escape annhilation. At the time they weren't even thinking about winning - it was about survival. The NDP has good reason to believe they can win the next election on their own. Why waste time playing games with the dying Liberals?
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