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« Reply #325 on: April 30, 2012, 10:06:37 pm »
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I was hoping he wouldn't run, because it will make for a boring race.
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« Reply #326 on: April 30, 2012, 10:14:03 pm »
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Garneau and McGuinty are also apparently running. Their interim leader needs to be bilingual, which leaves... LeBland. Is Brison's French good enough? He's the only possible alternative interim to LeBland (who himself might not take it).

But yeah, this is a cakewalk for Rae.
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« Reply #327 on: May 01, 2012, 07:03:40 pm »
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Kennedy, (David) McGuinty, Garneau, MHF, LeBlanc, Coderre?

http://www.canada.com/news/least%2BLiberals%2Btesting%2Bwaters%2Bfederal%2Bleadership/6549450/story.html
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« Reply #328 on: May 02, 2012, 12:07:26 am »
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I really want Dalton and David to run. It was fun when two brothers ran against eachother in Britain.
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« Reply #329 on: May 02, 2012, 01:01:11 am »
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The NDP must be thrilled at what a weak field of leadership candidates the Liberals seem to have.
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« Reply #330 on: May 02, 2012, 11:52:30 am »
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Crawley said months ago Rae shouldn't be barred, so this is just a formality.

http://www.ipolitics.ca/2012/05/01/liberal-party-to-clarify-rules-for-a-rae-leadership-bid/
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« Reply #331 on: May 02, 2012, 09:08:53 pm »
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The NDP must be thrilled at what a weak field of leadership candidates the Liberals seem to have.

At this point, they might as well bite the bullet and promote Justin Trudeau, whether he or anybody else within or without feels he's "fit" or not.

An alternate notion came to mind: what if Bob Rae retired and his provincial counterpart, Glen Murray, moved up to take his place, and...
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« Reply #332 on: May 02, 2012, 09:35:13 pm »
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He will not run if the Liberals remain in third party status and has said as much publicly. Plus the other reason is his family and said exactly that on TMP 2 months ago.
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« Reply #333 on: May 04, 2012, 04:09:47 pm »
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Adma has a media crystal ball.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/05/04/justin-trudeau-should-be-the-next-leader-of-the-liberal-party-no-seriously/
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« Reply #334 on: May 05, 2012, 11:58:02 am »
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Believe that when I see it.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1173339--hebert-is-justin-trudeau-the-liberals-salvation
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« Reply #335 on: May 07, 2012, 06:43:47 pm »
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Kennedy and Martha Hall Findlay are considering a run.

http://www.hilltimes.com/news/politics/2012/05/07/kennedy-hall-findlay-still-mulling-run-for-federal-liberal-leadership/30676?page_requested=1
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« Reply #336 on: May 11, 2012, 06:12:50 pm »
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So is Joyce Murray, apparently.
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« Reply #337 on: June 05, 2012, 11:13:18 am »
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Ivison usually gets these sort of scoops early, which is what makes it intriguing. Will only believe that when I see it, of course.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/06/04/john-ivison-justin-trudeau-can-dominate-attract-the-spotlight-but-can-he-lead-a-team/
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« Reply #338 on: June 05, 2012, 06:04:21 pm »
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So is Joyce Murray, apparently.

That would be an interesting pick.  She is from the West where the Liberals only have four seats, quite strong on the environment yet was a member of the BC Liberals who are centre-right as opposed to centre-left.  Certainly I am sure the NDP will bring up her support of Gordon Campbell in the hopes of wooing left leaning Liberals away as many of those vote NDP provincially, although outside BC most don't have too strong an opinion either way on Campbell and in BC the Liberals federally are pretty much dead outside Vancouver and a few suburban ridings meaning most are already in the Conservative or NDP camp.
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« Reply #339 on: June 05, 2012, 06:11:37 pm »
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Eh, put her in for western lieutenant or whatever you guys call that. Your take on Ivison's Trudeau scoop?

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« Reply #340 on: June 05, 2012, 10:48:45 pm »
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Joyce Murray would be a joke of a candidate she was an Eco-terrorist as Environment Minister in the EXTREME rightwing Campbell government...I don't think she speaks any French either.
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« Reply #341 on: June 06, 2012, 06:02:20 pm »
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Joyce Murray would be a joke of a candidate she was an Eco-terrorist as Environment Minister in the EXTREME rightwing Campbell government...I don't think she speaks any French either.
  I wouldn't call Gordon Campbell extreme right, but certainly not a Liberal, at least not in the North American sense (In Europe he would be as liberal there means for as little government as possible otherwise right wing economically, left wing on moral issues).  On the environment who was pretty lousy in his first term when she was minister, but quite a different story in the second term, after all that is when BC became the first province to introduce a carbon tax.  The reality is the BC Liberals have always been a coalition of blue Liberals and Tories so in his first term he needed to convince conservatives he wasn't really a Liberal as many were uncomfortable supporting a party with a liberal moniker whereas by the end of his first term many Liberals felt he was just a conservative in liberal clothing so he had to in his second term convince them he hadn't totally abandoned them.

Anyways Murray seems like maybe someone who could be a good cabinet minister, but not leadership material never mind she cannot speak French.  Realistically the Liberals need to chose a Francophone Quebecer if they want to return to opposition and then government the following election.  Quebec is the only province where a party can go from single digits to almost 50% in a single election, i.e. PCs in 1984 and NDP in 2012.  No other province can you get such a large swing in one election, at least not upwards, maybe downwards though.

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« Reply #342 on: June 06, 2012, 06:49:02 pm »
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Quebec is the only province where a party can go from single digits to almost 50% in a single election, i.e. PCs in 1984 and NDP in 2012.  No other province can you get such a large swing in one election, at least not upwards, maybe downwards though.

How about the Reform Party in 1993?
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« Reply #343 on: June 06, 2012, 08:30:53 pm »
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Wasn't the national executive supposed to meet this week?
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« Reply #344 on: June 07, 2012, 12:42:56 pm »
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The conference call will be next Wednesday. Rae will announce his candidacy once the summer recess starts in 2 weeks.

http://www.globalnews.ca/rae+to+decide+soon+on+liberal+leadership+bid/6442655937/story.html
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« Reply #345 on: June 08, 2012, 10:49:38 am »
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Rae is released and will announce his candidacy in a couple of weeks.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/06/07/pol-liberal-leadership-bob-rae.html
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« Reply #346 on: June 08, 2012, 11:01:29 am »
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Rae is released and will announce his candidacy in a couple of weeks.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/06/07/pol-liberal-leadership-bob-rae.html

As an outsider, this to me leaves a very bad taste... he promises not to run, then this new executive changes the rules, now hes going to run (even though he promised not to?) giving him a huge advantage since hes been interim leader for what a year now?... just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.
This looks like another coronation attempt, and the media (should) pick this up... and so will the NDP & Tories.

There has to be better candidates out there?
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« Reply #347 on: June 08, 2012, 11:06:13 am »
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Who else is there from caucus (as Topp taught us Tongue)? Everyone knew that Rae would find some way to run. Caucus badly wants him, membership is probably less enthusiastic.

Brison: Doesn't want it and wouldn't be elected if he did. Could be interim.

Coderre: No explanation required.

Garneau: Not really leadership material, plus age.

LeBland: Younger, perfectly bilingual Stephane Dion. Not leadership material.

McGuinty: Last name.

Trudeau: Probably doesn't want it this time despite Ivison's story. Too inexperienced at any rate.
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« Reply #348 on: June 08, 2012, 11:07:53 am »
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Kind of hilarious to see the Liberal Party of Canada reduced to picking a leader on the 'who's left?' principle.
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« Reply #349 on: June 08, 2012, 11:16:48 am »
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Rae is still, despite his Ontarian flaws, the best electable (which excludes Brison) candidate. A third party needs a heavyweight leader with media presence if they don't want to die by media asphyxiation.* Take Kennedy: great guy, but few people outside Ontario know who he is and doesn't have the personality or political weight to constantly insert himself in the news. Rae does, in spades. That's partially how Jack Layton kept the NDP floating way above its poll numbers for most of his leadership.


*Which coincidentially, is what's happening to the BQ in our French media- even Le Devoir doesn't say a word about them.
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