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« Reply #175 on: September 16, 2013, 01:00:07 PM »

1892
After four years of a bland and largely unaccomplished Harrison administration, and the failure of the McKinley Tariff of 1890, the Republicans aren't in good shape. With the Northeast alienated by Harrison's pro-silver policies, they strike back and nominate one of their own for President. General Goldwater, a Civil War veteran, pioneer, and a pro-imperialism conservative, represents a change from the boring and unpopular Harrison policies. However, despite his support from the delegats, he is treated by the Democrats and Populists as another tool of the elites. The Democrats nominate the free trading, quasi-populist James Brase, a two-term Texas Senator. Anti-imperialist, anti-tariff, and vocally opposed to prohibition and other forms of social control, he utilizes whistle stop tours to take away important support in New England the Mid-West that would've gone to Goldwater in an ordinary election. However, while he picks moderates away from Goldwater, the Populist nominee TNF hits at both left flanks, taking significant swaths of rural voters in the West and South. With Goldwater still holding together important chunks of the Republican electoral coalition and Brase being routed in the South, the election goes to the Democrat-controlled House where Brase is elected.

Senator James Brase (D-TX)/Governor Horace Boies (D-IA) 181 electoral votes, 42% of the popular vote
General Goldwater (R-WA)/Ambassador Whitelaw Reid (R-NY) 151 electoral votes, 41% of the popular vote
Congressman TNF (P-KY)/Congressman Thomas Watson (P-GA) 112 electoral votes, 16% of the popular vote

With the Panic of 1893, Brase would become unpopular though would always remain a hero to "classic liberals" and to party conservatives. Goldwater would manage to be nominated a second time in 1896 and beat William Jennings Bryan. Much to TNF's dismay, the Populist party would die and its reforms would only be implemented within the two party system, if at all.
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« Reply #176 on: September 16, 2013, 04:05:59 PM »
« Edited: September 16, 2013, 06:21:07 PM by Senator Maxwell »

Senator Cathcon goes on to challenge President Scott for re-election!



Senator Cathcon (R-MI) - After upsetting Senator Gary Peters in his run for re-election, Senator Cathcon is looked to as the front runner for the nomination and the new hope for the GOP. A neoconservative with a relatively pro-labor record, he appeals to a lot of demographics that previously were not in the GOP's pocket.

Governor Goldwater (R-WA) - Governor Goldwater, a staunch member of the libertarian wing, won the Governorship after many years in the house. Surprisningly popular in his home state of Washington, he ran much of his campaign as an underdog, hoping to surge in the state of New Hamphsire. Many consider him to be the most fiscally conservative candidate of the field, in spite of being pro-gay marriage and pro-choice.

Congressman Oldiesfreak (R-MI) - Challenging his fellow Michiganer, Congressman Oldiesfreak has an interesting, somewhat checkered past. He is a black, liberal Republican from a D+8 District. He's a social center righter, but his fiscal views have put him to the left of the rest of his party. However, some of his remarks about race have made it clear why he is a Republican, and looks to do well in some of the more liberal states.

Others running:

Governor ZuWo (R-KY) - The most conservative candidate of the field, he hoped to make gains with strong, if not winning performances in Iowa and South Carolina. However, his campaign was very low key and he did not make beyond 10% in either state, causing him to drop out.

Speaker of the House Dereich (R-FL) - Searching for a way out of the House, Speaker Dereich made a run for the Presidency. His campaign was considered one of many ideas, and he did surprisingly well in the state of New Hampshire, but ultimately went nowhere after a 3rd place performance in his home state of Florida.

Congressman John Calvanius (JCL) (R-IN) - John Calvanius, originally, was the tea party favorite. Inspite of low national numbers, John held a strong lead in Iowa over Senator Cathcon and Governor Goldwater. However, after many gaffes (including one about sending nuclear waste into the sun), his numbers started to plummet, and he dropped out after falling behind Governor ZuWo in the state he had put so much money into.

Former Secretary of Agriculture Anton Kreizer (R-ND) - Running a very low key campaign, Anton Kreizer ran on a pseudo-libertarian platform of low taxes, low government intervnetion. This gained some support from wings that were concerned about Governor Goldwaters full on social liberalism, but he mostly was a candidate who didn't have much appeal beyond a small group.
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« Reply #177 on: September 16, 2013, 04:25:17 PM »

1856.



Gov. Cathcon (R-Michigan) and Gov. William Seward (R-New York)
Gov. Goldwater (R-Delaware) and Sen. Stephen Douglas (D-Illinois)
Sen. Maxwell (American-Texas) and Andrew Jackson Donelson (A-Tennessee)

Cathcon wins the popular vote, but no electoral college majority allows the House to select Goldwater as President. The ensuing chaos sees several northern states declare their independence from the "slave country" and the ensuing Civil War sees the Federal States of America (FSA) defeat the United States of America by 1861 and incorporate it into the new union, establishing a stronger federal government that bans slavery outright and grants more power to the federal government at the expense of the states.
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« Reply #178 on: September 16, 2013, 06:10:25 PM »

1892



Senator Maxwell (D-TX) / Senator David B. Hill (D-NY) - 178 EVs
Governor Cathcon (R-MI) / Ambassador Robert Todd Lincoln (R-IL) - 160 EVs
Senator TNF (P-KY) / Congressman Thomas Watson (P-GA) - 106 EVs

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« Reply #179 on: November 18, 2013, 08:03:30 PM »


President Goldwater (R-CA)/General Ulysses S. Grant (R-IL) 101 electoral votes
Governor Maxwell (D-NY)/Senator George H. Pendleton (D-OH) 98 electoral votes
Governor TNF (RR-OH)/General John Cochrane (RR-NY) 34 electoral votes
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« Reply #180 on: November 19, 2013, 02:11:30 AM »



Senator TNF (D-KY)/Former Governor Ted Strickland (D-OH): 304 EVs
Senator Goldwater (R-WA)/Senator John Cornyn (R-TX): 188 EVs
Governor Cathcon (R-MI)/Governor Scott Walker (R-WI): 46 EVs
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« Reply #181 on: March 02, 2014, 01:37:20 PM »

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« Reply #182 on: March 02, 2014, 06:38:21 PM »



Congressman Adam C. Fitzgerald of Ohio (D): 455
Cathcon of Michigan (R): 77
Senator Goldwater of Washington (Libertarian): 6
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« Reply #183 on: March 02, 2014, 06:45:03 PM »
« Edited: March 02, 2014, 06:47:00 PM by Speaker Scott »



A split in the liberal vote, caused by an unexpected third party candidacy by KY Senator TNF, gives Cathcon an easy path to victory.

Governor Cathcon of Michigan and Representative JCL of Indiana (Republican) - 334
Senator Adam C. Fitzgerald of Ohio/Representative IndyTX of Texas - 160
Senator TNF of Kentucky and Former Congressman Dennis Kucinich of Ohio (Independent) - 44
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« Reply #184 on: March 02, 2014, 08:16:46 PM »



Senator Scott (I-CT) - 276 EVs
Governor Adam C. FitzGerald (D-OH) - 233 EVs
Senator TNF (S-KY) - 29 EVs
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« Reply #185 on: March 04, 2014, 05:35:25 AM »



Governor Goldwater (R): 41%, 284 EV
Senator Scott (D): 32%, 170 EV
Congressman TNF (S): 27%, 84
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« Reply #186 on: March 04, 2014, 09:01:29 AM »



Senator Goldwater (R-WA)/Governor John Kasich (R-OH) 362EV
Senator Scott (D-CT)/Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR) 154EV
Governor Antonio (D-CA)/Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) 22EV

With a split Dem vote, Goldwater wins easily.
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« Reply #187 on: March 04, 2014, 11:19:40 AM »



Pres. Antonio V of California and Vice Pres. Lief of Texas (D): 51.01% (384)
Sen. Goldwater of Delaware and Rep. Vosem of Illinois (R): 37.15% (154)
Rep. MadmanMotley of Indiana and Sen. Shua of Virginia (I): 10.99% (0)
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« Reply #188 on: March 04, 2014, 11:40:49 AM »
« Edited: March 04, 2014, 12:11:07 PM by Cathcon »

1948
With the surprising death of President Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1945, the nation was left in the hands of Theodore N. Fauntroy, a small town teacher who'd built his political career on support from mining and education unions. A former Governor who'd been surprisingly chosen for Vice President over Henry Wallace in 1944, few expected much from "TNF". However, over the next few years the war would be won and TNF would work to prepare the nation for a post-WWII age. This involved heavy tariffs as well as funding going towards the rebuilding of Europe. However, not all would be pleased. With a bad economy and a Republican-controlled Congress, both the left and the right were dissatisfied. From the right came one of America's leaders in WWII, Michael Motley, known by his battlefield nickname of "Madman".  While he opposed the United Nations, he had little problem with NATO and many believed he was willing to take America to war with the USSR. Domestically, Motley was deeply conservative and wished to fundamentally alter the New Deal. From the left came Antonio Vital. The son of Italian and French immigrants who had originally settled in New York, Vital moved West and became a good friend of Upton Sinclair. Elected to the House in 1930 as a Democrat, he became good friends with a number of East Coast liberal Italians including Fiorella LaGuardia and Vito Marcantonio. While one of the most left-wing members of Congress on economic issues, he always made sure to distance himself from "lol true leftists" and only criticized President Roosevelt during the days of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact when it seemed that going to war with Germany meant going to war with the Soviet Union. Now that the war is over, Vital is pushing for much more radical economic legislation, greater partnership with the Soviet Union, and an end to "witch hunts" in the Pentagon and the State Department.

While Antonio would rob TNF from a significant portion of his base, a number of moderate Republicans, fearing "Madman Motley" would lead to all out war only three years following the last one's resolution, would reluctantly stay home from the polls, allowing TNF to claim victory with a coalition of blue collar workers, immigrants, Southerners, and labor. Motley would take conservatives and a number of northern farmers while Antonio claimed liberal intellectuals, blacks, hispanics, and some more progressive rural voters.

President Theodore Nugent Fauntroy (D-KY)/Former Governor Maurice J. Tobin (D-MA) 270 electoral votes
General Michael "Madman" Motley (R-IN)/Governor Thomas Dewey (R-NY) 232 electoral votes
Congressman Antonio Vital (P-CA)/Former Vice President Henry Wallace (P-IA) 29 electoral votes
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« Reply #189 on: March 15, 2014, 11:16:41 PM »



Governor Cathcon (R-MI) - 270 EVs
Senator TNF (D-KY) - 228 EVs
Governor B. "Madman" Motley (I-IN) - 40 EVs
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« Reply #190 on: March 16, 2014, 07:14:11 AM »

Despite being perceived as an extremist, TNF wins solidly in the Electoral College thanks to his good performance among working-class whites and a vote split between the two right-wing candidates.



Senator TNF (D-KY): 42%, 383 EV
Governor Cathcon (R-MI): 31%, 117 EV
Senator Goldwater (I-WA): 27%, 38 EV
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« Reply #191 on: March 16, 2014, 10:31:16 AM »

2016

Sen. Antonio V (D-CA)/Fmr. Gov. Martin O'Malley (D-MD): 332 EVs (55% PVs)
Gov. Cathcon (R-MI)/Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY): 119 EVs (38% PVs)
Rep. Goldwater (L-WA)/Fmr. Gov. Gary Johnson (L-NM): 87 EVs (13% PVs)

Antonio wins comfortably due to a split in the GOP caused by Goldwater running as a Libertarian after losing the Republican nomination to Cathcon..
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« Reply #192 on: March 16, 2014, 05:26:24 PM »

1996

Basically Goldwater gets the Nomination, but his aspects of being a Liberal Republican annoy Oldiesfreak, who decides to run a "True Conservative" campaign, they both lose largely due to vote splitting.


President Antonio V/VP John Breaux (Democrats):436 EV, 49.9%

Senator Goldwater/General Colin Powell (Republicans):38 EV, 32%

Fmr. Chief of Staff Oldiesfreak1852/Columnist Pat Buchannan (Conservative):64 EV, 17%
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« Reply #193 on: March 16, 2014, 07:38:40 PM »

2016


Governor Oldiesfreak (R-MI) / Governor Susana Martinez (R-NM) - 302 EVs
Senator Guntaker (D-WI) / Fmr. Governor Martin O'Malley (D-MD) - 220 EVs
Congressman Antonio V (I-CA) / Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) - 16 EVs
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« Reply #194 on: March 20, 2014, 10:26:14 AM »



1980

President Goldwater (D-WA): 197
Governor Oldiesfreak (R-MI): 308
Congressman Guntaker (I-ME): 33
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« Reply #195 on: March 22, 2014, 05:02:14 PM »

2028:



Pres. Goldwater(R-WA)/Vice Pres. Scott Walker (R-WI): 268

Sen. Guntaker (D-CA)/Sen. Martin Heinrich (D-NM): 237
Fmr. Rep. and Activist TNF (I-KY)/Sen. Elizabeth Warren (I-MA): 33

Pres. Goldwater: 40.9%
Sen. Guntaker: 38.2%
Fmr. Rep. and Activist TNF: 20.9%

For Goldwater's re-election of a second term of the white house, he gets caught under the 270 mark with his two challengers, Guntaker and TNF. TNF argues that both Guntaker and Goldwater are awful, that we need to drastically change how the government functions in order to be free and prosperous. He got many independent supporters because of this, but only got a few very liberal northeastern states in the electoral college. Otherwise, democrats and republicans were mostly united for their candidates.

Unfortunately for Goldwater, his midterm two years ago could be compared to the historical election of 2008, when fmr. pres. Obama got elected and democrats ran up huge numbers in congress. In the Senate, it is 56-44 D, and in the House, it is 250-185 D. Both chambers together elected the democratic ticket (Guntaker/Martin Heinrich). This marks the first time in history where the winning candidate in the popular vote and the electoral college lost because of the control in Congress.
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« Reply #196 on: March 22, 2014, 05:21:26 PM »
« Edited: March 22, 2014, 05:27:55 PM by Cassius »



Senator Goldwater (R-WA)/Senator Rob Portman (R-OH): 396 electoral votes, 51.6 percent of the popular vote
Senator TNF (D-KY)/Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT): 139 electoral votes, 39.1 percent of the popular vote
Representative ElectionsGuy (L-WI)/Fmr. Governor Gary Johnson (L-NM): 3 electoral votes, 8.0 percent of the popular vote

Moderate and well-respected Washington Senator Goldwater is nominated as the Republican candidate for the general election, facing off against fiery socialist Senator TNF of Kentucky, who waged a bloody primary battle against Hillary Clinton, and narrowly won. In addition to the two major candidates, staunch libertarian Wisconsin Representative ElectionsGuy has bolted from the Republicans to serve as the nominee of the Libertarian party, in protest against the internationally interventionist policies of Goldwater. The latter holds a comfortable lead throughout the campaign, and although both TNF and ElectionsGuy put up stiff competition (TNF steadily climbed the polls from 29 percent pre-convention to 40 percent on election day), Goldwater goes on to win the biggest landslide for a Republican candidate since 1988. However, the Libertarians, thanks to the strength of their candidate, win their highest vote share yet in a Presidential Election and their first electoral votes.
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« Reply #197 on: March 22, 2014, 05:44:27 PM »

A Crazy 2016



Senator TNF (D-KY)/Governor IceSpear (D-PA) - 38.8%, 383 EV's
Governor Cassius (R-AL)/Former Governor ZuWo (R-KY) - 29.2%, 79 EV's
Former Senator ElectionsGuy (L-WI)/Former Attorney General Maxwell (L-OK) - 30.1%, 76 EV's
Others - 1.9%, 0 EV's

After what some may consider the most brutal primaries in history, the two parties took two different paths. Senator TNF and Governor IceSpear, both fierce liberals, came from two different factions of the party. TNF, a loud, boisterous, filibustering union man, got elected after knocking off Senator Mitch McConnell by strong organization. 2 years later, damn the consequences, he runs for president. Governor IceSpear, a Former Congressman and Secretary of Treasury, rose through the ranks of the Democratic Party, working on bipartisan legislation and liberal cause legislation. After a thunderous primary, the two united for their ticket, in spite of a very clear digust for one another.

The Republican primary, however, did not go that way. Governor Cassius, very conservative Governor of Alabama, swiped the nomination from many competeing candidates. Electionsguy, concerned about the ability of Cassius to win, and more concerned over his policy beliefs, did not join the ticket as the party requested, but rather left the party and ran as a Libertarian with the Former Attorney General. Together, they brought a collation of Center-righters and Center-leftists in support of civil liberties and out-performed the polls by a large margin, but couldn't beat the strong machine behind Senator TNF.
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« Reply #198 on: March 22, 2014, 07:28:41 PM »



Senator Cassius (R-VA) - 335 EVs
Attorney General Maxwell (I-OK) - 148 EVs
Governor E. Guy (L-WI) - 55 EVs
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« Reply #199 on: March 23, 2014, 05:52:21 PM »

Option 1:
2016 Republican Primary:


Gov. Goldwater (R-WA)

Rep. Cassius (R-VA)
Gov. Maxwell (R-OK)

Option 2:
2016 General Election:
In a brilliant moment of campaign brilliance, Gov. Maxwell, Independent Governor of Oklahoma, has claimed the nomination of the Democratic party. Calling himself a true Democrat, one Kennedy could be proud of, and gathering massive youth support he managed to win in a crowded Democratic Field.

On the Republican side, Gov. Goldwater of Washington has clinched the nomination in a bloody struggle with Rep. Cassius who claimed he was not "conservative" enough. Though he managed to win the nomination, Gov. Maxwell is hitting his foreign policy has dangerous. To add to Goldwater's problems, Rep. Cassius has claimed the Constitution party nomination, and is garnering a lot of support in the south.



Gov. Goldwater (R-WA)/Gov. John Kasich (R-OH)

Gov. Maxwell (D-OK)/Gov. Jesse Ventura (I-MN)
Rep. Cassius (C-VA)/Mr. Chuck Baldwin (C-FL)
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