Washington State Recount, Part Deux

[Alcon]

So far, Mason County (slightly Rossi and somewhat small) and Garfield County (strong Rossi and virtually unpopulated) have finished their recounts and Republican Dino Rossi has gained 12 votes to Gregoire's 9. Libertarian candidate Ruth Bennett has lost 2 votes.

"The recount went quickly in Shelton, where workers were fueled by coffee, soda and cookies supplied by the county."

Clark (moderate Rossi, very populated); Skamania (fairly strong Rossi, quite small population); San Juan (strong Gregoire, small to moderate population); and Benton (strong Rossi, moderate to large population) started counting at the same time as Garfield County but are yet to report.

Rossi's vote lead has increased from 42 to 45.

[CARLHAYDEN]

It doesn't matter how many times Rossi wins the election, Gregoire and associates will keep calling for a recount until somehow she wins.

[Alcon]

It doesn't matter how many times Rossi wins the election, Gregoire and associates will keep calling for a recount until somehow she wins.

The parties actually agreed on this. Whoever lost the machine recount would pay for a manual recount.

Both parties have been remarkably well-behaved.

New reports from various counties have ended up with Rossi now gaining 29 votes to Gregoire's 28 and with Ruth Bennett losing 2, for a net Rossi gain of 1. Rossi now leads by 43 votes.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Your intitial posting suggest that the votes have previously been counted only once, which is false.

There have already been two countes (both of which were won by Rossi).

If he prevails in the current rerecount, will Gregoire drop the matter?

[Alcon]

Your intitial posting suggest that the votes have previously been counted only once, which is false.

There have already been two countes (both of which were won by Rossi).

If he prevails in the current rerecount, will Gregoire drop the matter?

What?

What part of my first post does? "Washington State Recount, Part Deux"?

There have been THREE counts:

- The original account, which Rossi won by a few hundred.
- The machine recount, which was automatic, and Rossi won by 42 votes.
- This recount, which was agreed on by the Democrats and Republicans, and paid for by the party that lost the machine recount (the Democrats).

I am not sure if Gregoire will drop the matter, but I think it will be the right thing to do. But so far both parties have behaved amazingly well. There have been no major fights.

[Nym90]

If Gregoire loses the manual count, yes, she should concede. A manual recount of the entire state is the most accurate count possible. Unless there is clear evidence of fraud, whomever loses the manual count should concede. It makes sense to do all 3 counts, however, if the race is close enough, as this one clearly is.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Republicans are hypocrites when it comes to recounts. In a Montana, recount they counted 5 ballots with votes for both the Republican party and the Constitional party for the Conservative party guy, who then ended up tied with the Democrat, and the Republican governor gets to break the tie.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Fern, you need watering again.

The Democrat candidate won the election for govenor in Montana.

[Engineer]

Here's a little article just to keep the discussion going.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/story/4306983p-4090778c.html

[Nym90]

Fern, you need watering again.

The Democrat candidate won the election for govenor in Montana.

I would assume he is talking about a lesser race in Montana, a State Senate race or some such. Obviously not the Governor's race. He just forgot to specify.

[patrick1]

Fern, you need watering again.

The Democrat candidate won the election for govenor in Montana.

I would assume he is talking about a lesser race in Montana, a State Senate race or some such. Obviously not the Governor's race. He just forgot to specify.

Brain Schweitzer (D) was elected governor in Montana

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Fern, you need watering again.

The Democrat candidate won the election for govenor in Montana.

I'm talking about a state legislature race.

[Schmitz in 1972]

Ah yes, the race that will determine who gets control of the Montana House. Basically it boils down to this: The canvassing board looked at the 5 ballots and question and ruled (unanimously I believe) that the voter intent was for the Constitution candidate. Now the Democrats are trying to stall until Schweitzer gets inaugurated so current Gov Judy Martz (a Republican) can't break the tie.

[Alcon]

Various states have now reported. Rossi's lead has increased to 70. The following counties are remaining:

Approximately 875,900 votes
King (Strong Gregoire)

100,000-500,000 votes
Clark (Lean Rossi)
Pierce (Weak Rossi)
Snohomish (Weak Rossi)
Spokane (Lean Rossi)
Thurston (Lean Gregoire)

30,000-100,000 votes
Benton (Strong Rossi)
Cowlitz (Lean Gregoire)
Island (Lean Rossi)
Skagit (Weak Rossi)
Whatcom (Weak Gregoire)
Yakima (Strong Rossi)

10,000-30,000 votes
Chelan (Strong Rossi)
Douglas (Strong Rossi)
Franklin (Strong Rossi)
Grant (Strong Rossi)
Kittitas (Strong Rossi)
Okanogan (Strong Rossi)
Whitman (Lean Rossi)

Under 10,000 votes
Asotin (Strong Rossi)
Klickitat (Strong Rossi)
San Juan (Strong Gregoire)

Already reported
Adams
Clallam
Columbia
Ferry*
Garfield*
Grays Harbor (good job this time!)
Jefferson
Kitsap (161 votes added - most of any county)
Lewis
Lincoln*
Mason
Pacific*
Pend Oreille
Skamania
Stevens
Wahkiakum
Walla Walla

* - No change in count. Not exactly surprising for these populations - Pacific County is the most with just under 10,000 votes.

[zorkpolitics]

"Correction" makes it likely Democrat Gregoire will win second recount. 

King County Elections Director Dean Logan said he will ask the county Canvass Board on Wednesday to amend the results of the Nov. 2 election in his county. Agreement is likely; Logan has a seat on the three-person board, and one of the other members is a Democrat.

Logan said election workers mistakenly rejected 561 absentee ballots because they thought signatures on the ballots did not match original voter registration records.

However, he said that the signatures simply were not on file in the county's computerized voter registration system and that original registration records should have been checked.

see:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=703&e=3&u=/ap/20041213/ap_on_re_us/washington_governor_s_race

With 10% of  the vote recounted, Rossi leads by 71.  However, the Recounted counteis favor Rossi 53% to 45%, the absentee ballots from King county are expected to favor Gregoire by at least 59% to 41% (predicred net gain for Gregoire of ~100 votes)

[CARLHAYDEN]

Logan will "run" as many ballots as necessary to overturn the election result.

Kind of like Cook county where they had an old tradiction of 'finding' enought ballots to offset the rest of the state.

This determination to do whatever it takes to 'win' an election will pay dividents for Bush in 2006 when the electorate changes the Senate seat (despite all the efforts of Logan).

[rbt48]

I don't think it is necessarily over for Rossi yet.  His lead is up to 88 votes from 42 when the hand recount started. 

If the 571 newly uncovered votes in King County break the same as the 58 to 40 to 2% margin that the rest of the county has, Gregoire will pick up 104 votes.  (This might be a terrible assumption, as for all I know, Gregoire may have won all 571 of those votes.)  So, if Rossi can pick up 17 more votes in the other 14 counties yet to report, he could eek out a victory.

Since King County counted the undervotes in the first recount, perhaps one could assume that their existing totals won't change much, except for the newly found ballots. 

[Erc]

Wasn't 571 the official lead in FL after everything?  Seems like someone's a bit bitter...

[Will F.D. People]

The Washington Supreme Court has denied the Democrats request to order counties to re-examine previously rejected provisional and absentee ballots:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002118956_webballotlawsuit14.html

Counties have the discretion to address problems they found in the initial canvas, such as King County's discovery of 561 absentees rejected because (they claim) they were compared against in invalid database.

[bgwah]

What if more votes magically appear in King County??

...Oh...it makes SENSE NOW. Gregoire is a WITCH AND IS MAKING BALLOTS APPEAR WITH HER SPECIAL POWERS. its so obvious now.









interestingly enough, King County is Rossi's home county, not Gregoire's.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Logan will "run" as many ballots as necessary to overturn the election result.

Kind of like Cook county where they had an old tradiction of 'finding' enought ballots to offset the rest of the state.

This determination to do whatever it takes to 'win' an election will pay dividents for Bush in 2006 when the electorate changes the Senate seat (despite all the efforts of Logan).

Other counties, for the LAST time, have done the same thing. I do not consider the Republicans guilty of fraud for this or the Grays Harbor incident.

You should not talk about fraud when you do not actually know what is happening.

By the way, I also have a site up with updated results. It uses Dave's layout (I hope you don't mind, Dave - if you do, I'll be happy to take it down) and can be found here:

http://www.n00bshop.com/trafton/wagov/

Have you ever actually lived in Washington state?

Or, absent facts, do you just know everything about everything?

Are you going to deny the vote fraud history in Cook County?

I can cite other examples for your to 'deny' as well.

Yes, Logan will do whatever it takes to 'elect' Gregoire.

However, its going to cost the Democrats badly,

Most of the people in Washington state aren't happy with the twisting of the system right now.

[phk]

Have you ever lived in North Dakota?

[CARLHAYDEN]

First, I notice you haven't answered my question?

Second, I briefly worked with the Air Force there a number of years ago (North Dakota).

So, will you NOW answer my question?

[phk]

Are you a redneck?

[CARLHAYDEN]

I notice you seem incapable of answering a question.