Political crisis in Greece

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Wot, no thread?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/15/greece-prime-minister-george-papandreou

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Intresting, so this the end of Papandreou quite likly. But I can't help but wonder, who actually wants his job as this point?

[Franzl]

Intresting, so this the end of Papandreou quite likly. But I can't help but wonder, who actually wants his job as this point?

Possibly someone with a particular fetish...but otherwise hard to imagine

[Insula Dei]

Wouldn't PASOK still win an election, were it to be held tomorrow? So, I assume a snap election is out of the question?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Wouldn't PASOK still win an election, were it to be held tomorrow? So, I assume a snap election is out of the question?

Someone on... I think it was Newsnight... said that PASOK has fallen behind recently.

[Keystone Phil]

I'm glad this topic was created otherwise I would have never known that this has been going on for about two years now.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I'm glad this topic was created otherwise I would have never known that this has been going on for about two years now.

Think of it as being a new chapter.

[You kip if you want to...]

Wouldn't PASOK still win an election, were it to be held tomorrow? So, I assume a snap election is out of the question?

Someone on... I think it was Newsnight... said that PASOK has fallen behind recently.

I saw a poll the other day with them about 3% behind the New Democracy.

[Hash]

ND winning a snap election would a terrible, awful, disgusting thing. I really hope the Greeks are not stupid enough to vote for the party whose irresponsibility and failed policies sped up the crisis and the party who called snap elections to give the others the sh**tty job.

[Insula Dei]

ND winning a snap election would a terrible, awful, disgusting thing. I really hope the Greeks are not stupid enough to vote for the party whose irresponsibility and failed policies sped up the crisis and the party who called snap elections to give the others the sh**tty job.

PASOK could now return the favour.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Papandreou has a moustache. Ramsay MacDonald had a moustache. Is anyone else concerned about this?

[Hash]

ND winning a snap election would a terrible, awful, disgusting thing. I really hope the Greeks are not stupid enough to vote for the party whose irresponsibility and failed policies sped up the crisis and the party who called snap elections to give the others the sh**tty job.

PASOK could now return the favour.

Except that ND running the economy would be like a blind man driving a bus.

[Insula Dei]

ND winning a snap election would a terrible, awful, disgusting thing. I really hope the Greeks are not stupid enough to vote for the party whose irresponsibility and failed policies sped up the crisis and the party who called snap elections to give the others the sh**tty job.

PASOK could now return the favour.

Except that ND running the economy would be like a blind man driving a bus.

That's an unfortunate side-effect, yes. Not that it will be long untill Greece will be ruled from Brussels or IMF HQ, sadly.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

ND winning a snap election would a terrible, awful, disgusting thing. I really hope the Greeks are not stupid enough to vote for the party whose irresponsibility and failed policies sped up the crisis and the party who called snap elections to give the others the sh**tty job.

PASOK could now return the favour.

Except that ND running the economy would be like a blind man driving a bus.

You've been on a bus journey in Ireland as well?

[Gustaf]

I like Papandreou, but as I recall PASOK did the exact same thing to ND about 5 years ago. It's just that things had not gone as badly yet.

[Landslide Lyndon]

I like Papandreou, but as I recall PASOK did the exact same thing to ND about 5 years ago. It's just that things had not gone as badly yet.

No, you don't know what you're talking about. In 2004 there was a regular election, not a snap one. And the economy back then was in more than decent shape.

It was the disastrous governing of Karamanlis and his lackeys that doubled our debt and took our deficit to 15%, causing the current crisis.

[Gustaf]

I like Papandreou, but as I recall PASOK did the exact same thing to ND about 5 years ago. It's just that things had not gone as badly yet.

No, you don't know what you're talking about. In 2004 there was a regular election, not a snap one. And the economy back then was in more than decent shape.

It was the disastrous governing of Karamanlis and his lackeys that doubled our debt and took our deficit to 15%, causing the current crisis.

I wasn't really referring to those aspects, but I recall PASOK cheated on the statistics as well. Greece has been fudging figures at least since they were allowed into the euro, so it doesn't seem to be a specific Karamanlis problem but a more general institutional problem.

I read a rather prophetic paper on the issue from like 2005 about how more oversight of Greece's statistics was required.

[Landslide Lyndon]

I like Papandreou, but as I recall PASOK did the exact same thing to ND about 5 years ago. It's just that things had not gone as badly yet.

No, you don't know what you're talking about. In 2004 there was a regular election, not a snap one. And the economy back then was in more than decent shape.

It was the disastrous governing of Karamanlis and his lackeys that doubled our debt and took our deficit to 15%, causing the current crisis.

I wasn't really referring to those aspects, but I recall PASOK cheated on the statistics as well. Greece has been fudging figures at least since they were allowed into the euro, so it doesn't seem to be a specific Karamanlis problem but a more general institutional problem.

I read a rather prophetic paper on the issue from like 2005 about how more oversight of Greece's statistics was required.

We have talked about this before. All the countries, even Germany, cooked their books to meet the criteria and enter the Eurozone. Karamanlis and his government took that to the extremes, probably with the tacit approval of Baroso and Almunia.
Everyone here suspected that something was amiss but nobody ever imagined the magnitude of the scam ran by the conservatives. 

[Antonio the Sixth]

ND winning a snap election would a terrible, awful, disgusting thing. I really hope the Greeks are not stupid enough to vote for the party whose irresponsibility and failed policies sped up the crisis and the party who called snap elections to give the others the sh**tty job.

This basically.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

ND winning a snap election would a terrible, awful, disgusting thing. I really hope the Greeks are not stupid enough to vote for the party whose irresponsibility and failed policies sped up the crisis and the party who called snap elections to give the others the sh**tty job.

This basically.

That sounds just like our elections in 2010.

[dead0man]

I like Papandreou, but as I recall PASOK did the exact same thing to ND about 5 years ago. It's just that things had not gone as badly yet.

No, you don't know what you're talking about. In 2004 there was a regular election, not a snap one. And the economy back then was in more than decent shape.

It was the disastrous governing of Karamanlis and his lackeys that doubled our debt and took our deficit to 15%, causing the current crisis.

Well that and the fact that tax evasion is considered a sport.  Of course the people have a point since the govt is so freaking corrupt it makes Chicago look sane.  Stealing from thieves isn't really stealing.

[Antonio the Sixth]

ND winning a snap election would a terrible, awful, disgusting thing. I really hope the Greeks are not stupid enough to vote for the party whose irresponsibility and failed policies sped up the crisis and the party who called snap elections to give the others the sh**tty job.

This basically.

That sounds just like our elections in 2010.

At least Bush didn't lie about the deficit...