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« on: June 25, 2011, 07:13:54 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2011, 07:14:51 AM »

First non-amendment, or potential to be converted into an amendment, since this is slot 4 and its just like five.
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2011, 04:47:29 AM »

Makes sense.
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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2011, 11:46:30 AM »

Oh, and I meant to say "Secretary of Federal Elections", not forum. Can we fix that real quick? Tongue
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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2011, 10:04:20 PM »

Let's do it.
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2011, 07:09:48 AM »


Yup.
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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2011, 01:20:13 AM »

Why do we need this bill?
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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2011, 01:28:14 AM »


Because it has recently been pointed out that there is no law requiring declarations to be made in that thread. It can't hurt to be on the safe side and make this official.

I would be find with changing this to an amendment to an existing law (perhaps the CESRA?).
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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2011, 01:30:52 AM »

Oh, I had no idea that was the case. Carry on...
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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2011, 08:26:37 AM »

72 hours are up, Final vote can occur at any time now, so is there no further business on this matter?
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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2011, 11:05:32 AM »

Let's make this 8.4 under CESRA.
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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2011, 11:07:12 AM »

That would require an amendment and a title change.
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« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2011, 11:09:27 AM »

Candidacy Declarations Thread Amendment to CESRA
Clause 4 is added to Section 8 to read:
All candidate declarations for elected office must be made in the Candidate Declaration Thread (defined as topic 40247.0) to be considered official. Should the existing thread ever be locked or deleted, it shall be the responsibility of the Secretary of Federal Elections to create a new thread and the Moderator General to sticky it.
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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2011, 11:14:48 AM »

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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2011, 11:35:53 AM »

How does the sponsor regard the amendment?
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« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2011, 11:59:07 AM »

I'll accept it as friendly.

Here's another random idea I just had---should we include some time limit on candidacy declarations? And by that I mean, declarations must be made within two months of the election to be valid. Or something. Tongue
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« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2011, 12:20:55 PM »

It is your bill afterall. Tongue Has this been an issue of note ever? You certainly have been here three times as long as I, and thus would know better if this has caused a problem.
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« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2011, 01:06:09 PM »

I just remember declaring for President in like 2013 as a joke. But who says my declaration isn't valid?! Tongue
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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2011, 01:09:35 PM »

Ah, so you are the trouble maker and you are trying to rain yourself in via federal law. Tongue
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« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2011, 12:49:07 PM »

Amendment (offered as friendly): Declarations for candidacies in which the candidate does not reside in the region he or she is running for office in shall be considered invalid.
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« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2011, 08:09:12 PM »

Amendment (offered as friendly): Declarations for candidacies in which the candidate does not reside in the region he or she is running for office in shall be considered invalid.
If we limit that to regional Senate seats I would support that, as those candidates would not be able to serve anyway if elected under federal election law. Eligibility for offices of regional government however vary for each region, and I don't believe we shall confuse that by making a person ineligible to declare a candidacy for a position that may legally hold.
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« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2011, 08:38:15 PM »

Amendment (offered as friendly): Declarations for candidacies in which the candidate does not reside in the region he or she is running for office in shall be considered invalid.
If we limit that to regional Senate seats I would support that, as those candidates would not be able to serve anyway if elected under federal election law. Eligibility for offices of regional government however vary for each region, and I don't believe we shall confuse that by making a person ineligible to declare a candidacy for a position that may legally hold.

Do you have any examples?
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« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2011, 11:29:36 PM »

I have several questions & comments regarding the amendment:

1) This would only be for candidate declarations... Would this stop write-ins? I'm thinking it would, since one couldn't ever accept write-ins. The only way one can accept write-ins without a post in the candidacy declarations thread would be to write themselves in in the voting booth---obviously you can't do this if you don't actually live in the region and thus can't vote there.
2) The SE and ME would have both only had one person on the ballot during last month's election had Belgian not run in every region---was it really a bad thing that Belgian made the races a tiny bit more competitive?
3) I tend to agree with Shua---I tend to think this should only apply to federal office. Let the regions decide their own rules.


I'll give you guys a day or two to respond and try writing a more comprehensive amendment to deal with this as well as my previous time frame idea.
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« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2011, 01:46:44 PM »

Belgiansocialist was not eligible to hold office in the IDS or ME based on Constitution Article 1, section 1 clause 2
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   Therefore to have his declaration appear on the ballot is misleading, giving the impression that an alternative existed on the ballot when in fact it did not. If belgiansocialist had not been a declared candidate, it is likely more voters would have wrote in an alternative candidate actually eligible to serve in the region, as in fact a couple did for for Badger in the ME in spite of belgiansocialist's appearance on the ballot.
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« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2011, 01:48:27 PM »

I support Bgwah's proposal, I think two months before the election is the right time for opening candidacies to an office. I also support Napoleon's amendment if limited to federal offices. err, apparently the problem doesn't exist. Tongue
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