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« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2011, 01:56:52 PM »

I support Bgwah's proposal, I think two months before the election is the right time for opening candidacies to an office. I also support Napoleon's amendment if limited to federal offices. err, apparently the problem doesn't exist. Tongue
No, the problem exists in that as far as I can tell, the eligibility for being on the ballot isn't legally dependent for the eligibility for actually holding office.
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« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2011, 02:05:52 PM »

Oh, in this case the amendment is even more needed.
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« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2011, 07:28:14 AM »

Are the regions not perfectly capable of aligning their requirements for holding the office with those for running for the office?
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« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2011, 08:56:36 AM »

Are the regions not perfectly capable of aligning their requirements for holding the office with those for running for the office?
Do the regions have any control over what appears on a federal ballot?
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« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2011, 09:07:50 AM »

Are the regions not perfectly capable of aligning their requirements for holding the office with those for running for the office?
Do the regions have any control over what appears on a federal ballot?

I didn't ask whether they have the ability to do so now. I am asking whether they are capable of determining who is eligible to represent them, by whatever means.  Then if so, the question becomes should they be provided with that involvement or not.
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« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2011, 09:23:42 AM »

Are the regions not perfectly capable of aligning their requirements for holding the office with those for running for the office?
Do the regions have any control over what appears on a federal ballot?

I didn't ask whether they have the ability to do so now. I am asking whether they are capable of determining who is eligible to represent them, by whatever means.  Then if so, the question becomes should they be provided with that involvement or not.
In terms of eligibility to represent them, yes, I think they would be - though in the case of the Senate, to do that would require a constitutional amendment. In terms of current law though, if the federal constitution determines eligibility, I believe the federal government also has a responsibility to make sure only those eligible appear on the federally administered ballot.
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« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2011, 10:03:53 PM »
« Edited: July 03, 2011, 10:35:43 PM by bgwah »

lol, so I looking through all the amendments to the CESRA, there's already a clause 4 of section 8 added by the fifth amendment to the CESRA... I would like to take this opportunity to just go ahead and clean up the entire CESRA.

I've identified the following amendments, and will update the CESRA's main page accordingly:

1) F.L. 16-4: Federal Activity Requirements Revision Act
2) F.L. 21-1: Consolidated Electoral System Reform Act (Amendment) Act
3) F.L. 31-23: Third Amendment to the Consolidated Electoral System Reform Act
4) F.L. 32-6: Anti-Zombie Act of 2009
5) F.L. 36-7: Fifth Amendment to the Consolidated Electoral System Reform Act
6) F.L. 39-9: Amendment to the Consolidated Electoral System Reform Act

Please tell me if I've missed any. Also feel free to suggest any pieces of legislation that are currently separate but should probably be repealed and replaced with an amendment to the CESRA for simplicity's sake.

I just edited the CESRA's main page (link), so as to make it easier to figure out what the current act looks like. This should make it easier to figure out what our current amendment should look like...
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« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2011, 11:23:07 PM »

On second thought, I have decided that a comprehensive reform of the CESRA would be best left to another amendment dedicated solely to that purpose. I may work on this in the near future if I can get someone with SoFE experience to assist me. In the mean time, here is my amendment dedicated solely to candidacy declarations:


Seventh Amendment to the Consolidated Electoral System Reform Act

1) The following is added to Section 8 as Clause 5: "All candidate declarations for elected office must be made in the Candidate Declaration Thread (defined as topic 40247.0) to be considered official. Should the existing thread ever be locked or deleted, it shall be the responsibility of the Secretary of Federal Elections to create a new thread and the Moderator General to sticky it."
2) The following is added to Section 8 as Clause 6: "A candidate may not declare for an office more than two months before the earliest possible commencement of the election."
3) The following is added to Section 8 as Clause 7: "Candidacy declarations for a regional or district Senate seat shall only be considered valid if the candidate is registered to vote within the region or district in which he or she is running."


I am of course offering the above as an amendment to the current bill. As you can see, we have 1) The original purpose of this bill 2) My idea to stop very early declarations for office and 3) Napoleon's idea concerning regional seats. I hope clause 3 isn't confusing.
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« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2011, 05:55:31 AM »

Does the honorable Senator from the NE still seek to pursue his earlier amendment?
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« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2011, 06:06:44 AM »

I fully support Bgwah's version.
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« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2011, 12:03:22 PM »

What is the problem with candidates declaring for office more than 2 months beforehand?
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« Reply #36 on: July 05, 2011, 04:20:39 AM »
« Edited: July 05, 2011, 04:34:11 AM by Italy : 2 Berlusconi : 0 »

What is the problem with candidates declaring for office more than 2 months beforehand?

That it makes the SoFE's life a hell, maybe ? Tongue
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« Reply #37 on: July 05, 2011, 05:50:19 AM »

Does the honorable Senator from the NE still seek to pursue his earlier amendment?

The OSPR requires amendments to be considered in the order they are offered. So I have to do Napoleon's first unless he indicates he is withdrawing it in favor of bgwah's. Considering there is a reasonable chance that is the case, I will ask one more time whether that is so.
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« Reply #38 on: July 05, 2011, 07:43:16 AM »

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« Reply #39 on: July 05, 2011, 09:23:05 AM »

No, if that wasn't clear, sorry.
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« Reply #40 on: July 05, 2011, 09:33:47 AM »

Okay, 44:1 is withdrawn.


Amendment 44:2 is a sponsor originated Amendment. Senators have 24 hours to object to it's passage.
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« Reply #41 on: July 05, 2011, 09:45:52 AM »

i object, on the basis of the part about the time limit for candidacy declarations, which I don't see the need for.
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« Reply #42 on: July 05, 2011, 09:53:18 AM »

i object, on the basis of the part about the time limit for candidacy declarations, which I don't see the need for.

It would take for ever to sift through months worth of pages to see if anyone declared for an election more than two months ahead of time.
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« Reply #43 on: July 05, 2011, 09:57:44 AM »

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The above amendment is now at vote, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
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« Reply #44 on: July 05, 2011, 10:18:21 AM »

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« Reply #45 on: July 05, 2011, 10:23:33 AM »

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« Reply #46 on: July 05, 2011, 12:01:04 PM »
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i object, on the basis of the part about the time limit for candidacy declarations, which I don't see the need for.

It would take for ever to sift through months worth of pages to see if anyone declared for an election more than two months ahead of time.

I think that's less work than checking every time someone declares to see if they are declaring too early for the position they are seeking and letting them know they have to wait and declare later.

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« Reply #47 on: July 05, 2011, 12:04:53 PM »

i object, on the basis of the part about the time limit for candidacy declarations, which I don't see the need for.

It would take for ever to sift through months worth of pages to see if anyone declared for an election more than two months ahead of time.

I think that's less work than checking every time someone declares to see if they are declaring too early for the position they are seeking and letting them know they have to wait and declare later.

Nay


They could open a declaration period for each election onthe specified day.
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« Reply #48 on: July 05, 2011, 05:32:10 PM »

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« Reply #49 on: July 05, 2011, 05:46:27 PM »

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