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Question: Do you believe that homosexuality is genetic, or a lifestyle choice?
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Democrat: genetic
 
#2
Democrat: lifestyle choice
 
#3
Republican: genetic
 
#4
Republican: lifestyle choice
 
#5
independent/third party: genetic
 
#6
independent/third party: lifestyle choice
 
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LBJer
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« on: June 26, 2011, 05:47:26 PM »

The predisposition to same-sex attraction is probably at least in part genetic, along with some element of socialization, any activity that could affect hormone levels, etc.

But, to act upon those attractions is not genetic at all. People also have the ability to not engage in a sex act or to enter into a certain relationship. So if we take homosexuality to be an act rather than an attraction (the word 'homosexuality' may be ambiguous in this respect, though I haven't met many celibate people who experience same-sex attraction who call themselves homosexuals so I am taking it to imply that one has engaged in said acts and is not celibate), then it must be a choice as long as we accept that we have the ability to make choices, ie. free will. If we have no free will then this is all a moot point anyway, so I'd consider "lifestyle choice" to be a more representative reflection of my view than "genetic" but that I'd rather select "Both" if I could.

Breathing and eating should also be classified as "lifestyle choices" then.

It’s different, because if you don’t eat or breathe at all, you die. You can live without sexual activity, believe it or not. Before anyone says it’s impossible, I’ve made it all 22.5 years of life this far without committing a sex act, including making out and masturbation. Yes, I’ve made it through an undergraduate degree in college and at a secular research institution (with a liberal reputation at that) not a religious school. One day this may end if I find a girl I’d like to marry. If not, I might make it my whole life. It might not always be fun, pleasurable, or easy but it’s possible. Someday I might screw up and in my human imperfection engage in a sex act outside the bonds of marriage, committing a sin (though whether or not committing such an act is a sin or not is beside the point). The point is that if I do, it’s still a choice I made. There is more to life than sexual pleasure.

Eating and breathing on the other hand are required to live without artificial support. Perhaps we could argue about whether an IV constitutes “eating” or a ventilator constituted “breathing” though that is entirely semantic because and IV and a ventilator serve the same purpose as eating and breathing. I guess one could make the argument that this is a lifestyle choice too but to make the opposite choice would interfere with a person’s ability to perform other tasks required to be a functional human.


You don't die if you quit breathing or eating because a)  the buildup of carbon dioxide in your blood will cause so much pain and discomfort and send panic signals to your brain that you will begin breathing again or b)  you will starve only for so long before the instinct to eat kicks in and you gorge yourself at McDonalds until you're violently sick.

The same goes for sexual activity.  Seeking release that is not available through sex or masturbation, you are discharging your body's excess semen in your sleep, whether you realize it or not.  And how does your body do that?  Why.. through the orgasm, of course.



You can still choose whether to engage in a sex act with another individual.

Suppose heterosexuality, not homosexuality, was considered wrong by religion and social mores.  How many straights would be willing to go their entire lives without "acting on" their sexual orientation as a result?  Virtually none, of course.  Why should gays be any different?
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LBJer
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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2011, 07:45:37 AM »

Anyone who claims homosexuality a choice doesn't have a brain. You can't control to what/whom you're attracted to.

Did I ever "choose" to be straight? I don't recall.

Whether or not homosexuality is 100% choice or 100% genetic or something in between is a matter of scientific fact.  It is not an opinion.  And frankly the evidence is inconclusive at best.

This is only partially true.  I removed my vote for genetics because it's not clear being gay or straight is a matter of genetics.  But it IS clear that it's not a choice.  As others here have already said, for those who dispute this, when did you choose to be straight?
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LBJer
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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2011, 11:20:50 AM »

Anyone who claims homosexuality a choice doesn't have a brain. You can't control to what/whom you're attracted to.

Did I ever "choose" to be straight? I don't recall.

Someone who is straight can choose not to engage in heterosexual activity, however.  That person's heterosexual preference does not mean that the person will act upon that preference.

I'd like to distinguish between the preference and the action.

If a robber demands money from a cashier at gunpoint, the cashier can choose to say no and risk getting killed.  But what sane person would do that?  Similarly, who (gay or straight)  would choose not to act on their sexual preference (unless you're talking about priests and nuns, etc.)?
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