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« on: July 03, 2011, 12:42:34 am »
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Welcome! Quite a few amendments Atlasians are voting on these days, so let's see how they've been faring.
First up - the Regional Senators Clarification Amendment, meant to ensure exactly one regional senator for each region. The vote finished up a few days ago.  The amendment passed 4 of 5 regions - but just barely, as the Pacific tied, and the Midwest passed it with a margin of just one vote.

Pacific:       3 Aye, 3 Nay -  TIE
Midwest:    6 Aye, 5 Nay
Northeast:  7 Aye, 4 Nay
IDS:        11 Aye, 1 Nay
Mideast:  13 Aye, 1 Nay
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"Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard. . . But freedom to differ is not limited to things that do not matter much. That would be a mere shadow of freedom. The test of its substance is the right to differ as to things that touch the heart of the existing order."
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2011, 12:45:19 am »
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     The regional breakdown is sort of interesting. It would have been funny if the Fair Amendment Procedure Amendment had been passed properly & then first used to pass an amendment favored by the more right-wing regions.
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2011, 12:53:39 am »
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Map by Region: Regional Senators Clarification Amendment
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"Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard. . . But freedom to differ is not limited to things that do not matter much. That would be a mere shadow of freedom. The test of its substance is the right to differ as to things that touch the heart of the existing order."
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2011, 12:55:56 am »
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Very nice, shua. Much appreciated! Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2011, 03:15:44 am »
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Quote from: Emperor PiT on July 03, 2011, 12:45:19 am
    The regional breakdown is sort of interesting. It would have been funny if the Fair Amendment Procedure Amendment had been passed properly & then first used to pass an amendment favored by the more right-wing regions.

Well, my Amendment was never intended to be a fix for the left. Tongue Of course if the Clarification Amendment failed in PA and MW despite receiving 2/3rds of the votes, it would further prove my point.
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2011, 03:25:03 am »
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Quote from: Emperor PiT on July 03, 2011, 12:45:19 am
     The regional breakdown is sort of interesting. It would have been funny if the Fair Amendment Procedure Amendment had been passed properly & then first used to pass an amendment favored by the more right-wing regions.

Well, my Amendment was never intended to be a fix for the left. Tongue Of course if the Clarification Amendment failed in PA and MW despite receiving 2/3rds of the votes, it would further prove my point.

     Perhaps so, but reducing the difficulty of passing amendments has always been something that was more popular on the left than on the right, possibly due to the number of left-wing amendments that have failed narrowly over the years. That's why I said it would be funny if an amendment passed because of it while failing in the two regions controlled by the left.
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2011, 05:43:51 am »
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Quote from: Emperor PiT on July 03, 2011, 03:25:03 am
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Quote from: Emperor PiT on July 03, 2011, 12:45:19 am
     The regional breakdown is sort of interesting. It would have been funny if the Fair Amendment Procedure Amendment had been passed properly & then first used to pass an amendment favored by the more right-wing regions.

Well, my Amendment was never intended to be a fix for the left. Tongue Of course if the Clarification Amendment failed in PA and MW despite receiving 2/3rds of the votes, it would further prove my point.

     Perhaps so, but reducing the difficulty of passing amendments has always been something that was more popular on the left than on the right, possibly due to the number of left-wing amendments that have failed narrowly over the years. That's why I said it would be funny if an amendment passed because of it while failing in the two regions controlled by the left.

It would still be a victory for democracy, though. Wink
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2011, 12:18:37 pm »
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Quote from: Barnes on July 03, 2011, 12:55:56 am
Very nice, shua. Much appreciated! Smiley
You're very welcome. Glad you like it.
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Quote from: Emperor PiT on July 03, 2011, 12:45:19 am
     The regional breakdown is sort of interesting. It would have been funny if the Fair Amendment Procedure Amendment had been passed properly & then first used to pass an amendment favored by the more right-wing regions.

Well, my Amendment was never intended to be a fix for the left. Tongue Of course if the Clarification Amendment failed in PA and MW despite receiving 2/3rds of the votes, it would further prove my point.

     Perhaps so, but reducing the difficulty of passing amendments has always been something that was more popular on the left than on the right, possibly due to the number of left-wing amendments that have failed narrowly over the years. That's why I said it would be funny if an amendment passed because of it while failing in the two regions controlled by the left.

It would still be a victory for democracy, though. Wink
My sense has been the left/right split over this issue is really a split between national versus regional democracy.
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"Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard. . . But freedom to differ is not limited to things that do not matter much. That would be a mere shadow of freedom. The test of its substance is the right to differ as to things that touch the heart of the existing order."
- Justice Robert Jackson WV SBE v Barnette

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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2011, 12:50:56 pm »
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Reduction of Registration Requirements Amendment

The Senate had a long and contentious debate on this amendment, with lots of different proposals being discussed. In the end the "50:14" formula, which involved only a modest reduction in requirements, passed the Senate and then went on to pass the regions. Only in the Northeast was there less than a 2/3 vote in favor.


Northeast  6 Aye, 3 Nay, 1 Abstain
IDS          8  Aye, 2 Nay, 1 Abstain
Pacific       6 Aye,  1 Nay
Mideast     7  Aye, 1 Nay
Midwest  10 Aye, 0 Nay, 1 Abstain
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"Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard. . . But freedom to differ is not limited to things that do not matter much. That would be a mere shadow of freedom. The test of its substance is the right to differ as to things that touch the heart of the existing order."
- Justice Robert Jackson WV SBE v Barnette

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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2011, 12:52:45 pm »
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Hey you have the Midwest twice Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2011, 01:13:03 pm »
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Quote from: Governor of the Mideast A-Bob on July 03, 2011, 12:52:45 pm
Hey you have the Midwest twice Tongue
fixed.

No More Holiday Elections Amendment (ongoing)

Pacific (closed)                5 Aye, 0 Nay, 1 Abstain
Midwest (closed)               5 Aye, 3 Nay, 1 Abstain
Mideast (closed)               6 Aye, 1 Nay, 2 Abstain
IDS (closed)                     0 Aye, 4 Nay, 1 Abstain
Northeast (closes Tue. PM) 1 Aye, 7 Nay

This one looks to be pretty close in terms of total votes, and will only pass in 3 of 5 regions barring a last minute wave of support. Maybe people aren't as upset about the low turnout during the Easter weekend election as it seemed.
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"Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard. . . But freedom to differ is not limited to things that do not matter much. That would be a mere shadow of freedom. The test of its substance is the right to differ as to things that touch the heart of the existing order."
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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2011, 01:48:55 pm »
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Quote from: Governor of the Mideast A-Bob on July 03, 2011, 12:52:45 pm
Hey you have the Midwest twice Tongue
We do count twice.
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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2011, 01:52:06 pm »
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Christ almighty. I can't believe we are voting on an amendment Antonio and I fought over 6 months ago! Tongue
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« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2011, 01:54:16 pm »
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Also, the last election also had less than 100 voters I think. Perhaps the people see the holiday amendment is useless like I do.
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« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2011, 10:16:01 pm »
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Quote from: Senator Duke on July 03, 2011, 01:54:16 pm
Also, the last election also had less than 100 voters I think. Perhaps the people see the holiday amendment is useless like I do.
If I'm confirmed I'll be bringing back my "raise the turnout" campaign.
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« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2011, 10:36:09 pm »
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Quote from: Senator Duke on July 03, 2011, 01:54:16 pm
Also, the last election also had less than 100 voters I think. Perhaps the people see the holiday amendment is useless like I do.
If I'm confirmed I'll be bringing back my "raise the turnout" campaign.

Okay. I hope you're successful!
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« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2011, 08:44:36 pm »
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The No More Holiday Elections Amendment won in the Pacific, Mideast, and Midwest, but lost in the Northeast and IDS.  Though there was no clear regional or ideological issue, the vote was highly polarized by region.

Pacific                 5 Aye, 0 Nay, 1 Abstain
Mideast               6 Aye, 1 Nay, 2 Abstain
Midwest              5 Aye, 3 Nay, 1 Abstain
IDS                    0 Aye, 4 Nay, 1 Abstain
Northeast           1 Aye, 7 Nay

Total                  17 Aye, 15 Nay, 5 Abstain

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"Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard. . . But freedom to differ is not limited to things that do not matter much. That would be a mere shadow of freedom. The test of its substance is the right to differ as to things that touch the heart of the existing order."
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OK is in the MW
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« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2011, 11:45:13 pm »
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OK is in the MW
indeed it is.
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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2011, 05:14:58 pm »
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Quote from: Yelnoc on July 06, 2011, 09:15:49 pm
OK is in the MW
indeed it is.

Sad thing, isn't it?
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« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2011, 05:22:14 pm »
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Quote from: Yelnoc on July 06, 2011, 09:15:49 pm
OK is in the MW

When I joined I tried to get then Mideast Governor Tmthforu to trade us Wisconsin for Oklahoma. But he said Nay.
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« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2011, 05:24:35 pm »
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OK is in the MW

When I joined I tried to get then Mideast Governor Tmthforu to trade us Wisconsin for Oklahoma. But he said Nay.
It would have looked funny, I'm sorry. I would definitely support a trade of Kansas and Missouri though, considering I'm a Jayhawker. Wink
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« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2011, 05:35:36 pm »
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OK is in the MW

When I joined I tried to get then Mideast Governor Tmthforu to trade us Wisconsin for Oklahoma. But he said Nay.
It would have looked funny, I'm sorry. I would definitely support a trade of Kansas and Missouri though, considering I'm a Jayhawker. Wink

You'd take Kansas but let it be surrounded by us?

Ooookkkkkaaayyy.

If you had told me this when I was Prime Verin I would have jumped at this. Wink
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« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2011, 05:36:45 pm »
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OK is in the MW

When I joined I tried to get then Mideast Governor Tmthforu to trade us Wisconsin for Oklahoma. But he said Nay.
It would have looked funny, I'm sorry. I would definitely support a trade of Kansas and Missouri though, considering I'm a Jayhawker. Wink

You'd take Kansas but let it be surrounded by us?

Ooookkkkkaaayyy.

If you had told me this when I was Prime Verin I would have jumped at this. Wink

Well...We could take Iowa, Nebraska, and Kansas. You could have Missouri, Kentucky, and Oklahoma.
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« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2011, 05:53:22 pm »
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Well you and I are retired so I guess it's all just chatter. But Governor's trading states would make the game more fun. In a chaotic sort of way.
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