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« Reply #50 on: September 06, 2011, 11:58:35 am »
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Pacific did.  Bgwah wrote it.
I wrote the amendment, but bgwah proposed a change to it that I accepted as friendly.
But yes, it actually passed all regions unanimously.

No I meant that he wrote the Pacific statute that allowed for an election in the event of a vacancy and that it passed.  There are some triggers as to time before the next election that determine if it is an election or appointment, but we have already passed a statute in light of the amendment.  Sorry, I should have been more clear.
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« Reply #51 on: September 06, 2011, 12:04:50 pm »
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Pacific did.  Bgwah wrote it.
I wrote the amendment, but bgwah proposed a change to it that I accepted as friendly.
But yes, it actually passed all regions unanimously.

Oh.  Hmm.  Well, we'll have to fix the defaultness in the Midwest.
Absolutely not.
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« Reply #52 on: September 06, 2011, 01:04:12 pm »
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Pacific did.  Bgwah wrote it.
I wrote the amendment, but bgwah proposed a change to it that I accepted as friendly.
But yes, it actually passed all regions unanimously.

Oh.  Hmm.  Well, we'll have to fix the defaultness in the Midwest.
Absolutely not.

I think we can do better than the Prime Verin appointing for vacancies!  What about a lottery, presided over by the Deputy Verin?  That would be more loony!
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« Reply #53 on: September 06, 2011, 03:25:21 pm »
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Pacific did.  Bgwah wrote it.
I wrote the amendment, but bgwah proposed a change to it that I accepted as friendly.
But yes, it actually passed all regions unanimously.

No I meant that he wrote the Pacific statute that allowed for an election in the event of a vacancy and that it passed.  There are some triggers as to time before the next election that determine if it is an election or appointment, but we have already passed a statute in light of the amendment.  Sorry, I should have been more clear.
Oh right, for some reason I assumed you were responding to ilikeverin's post.
I'd be interested in seeing the statute.
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« Reply #54 on: September 06, 2011, 08:34:11 pm »
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Senate Vacancy Bill
1) Should there be a vacancy for any federal Senate seat delegated to the Pacific Region, there shall be a special election held the following weekend during standard election hours. There must be a minimum of 72 hours to allow candidate declarations, and the election shall be moved back one week if necessary.
2) If there are less than six weeks of the term left at the time of vacancy, then the Governor shall appoint a replacement for the remainder of the term.

x bgwah
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« Reply #55 on: September 08, 2011, 07:39:16 am »
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Pacific did.  Bgwah wrote it.
I wrote the amendment, but bgwah proposed a change to it that I accepted as friendly.
But yes, it actually passed all regions unanimously.

Oh.  Hmm.  Well, we'll have to fix the defaultness in the Midwest.
Absolutely not.

I think we can do better than the Prime Verin appointing for vacancies!  What about a lottery, presided over by the Deputy Verin?  That would be more loony!
Oh. that's true. Or how about passing the office on alphabetically?
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« Reply #56 on: September 08, 2011, 07:41:58 am »
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Pacific did.  Bgwah wrote it.
I wrote the amendment, but bgwah proposed a change to it that I accepted as friendly.
But yes, it actually passed all regions unanimously.

Oh.  Hmm.  Well, we'll have to fix the defaultness in the Midwest.
Absolutely not.

I think we can do better than the Prime Verin appointing for vacancies!  What about a lottery, presided over by the Deputy Verin?  That would be more loony!

I love this idea.
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« Reply #57 on: September 08, 2011, 07:55:43 am »
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Pacific did.  Bgwah wrote it.
I wrote the amendment, but bgwah proposed a change to it that I accepted as friendly.
But yes, it actually passed all regions unanimously.

Oh.  Hmm.  Well, we'll have to fix the defaultness in the Midwest.
Absolutely not.

I think we can do better than the Prime Verin appointing for vacancies!  What about a lottery, presided over by the Deputy Verin?  That would be more loony!

I love this idea.

In Midwest you better get used to loony thing.
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« Reply #58 on: September 08, 2011, 05:39:16 pm »
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I wouldn't have the Midwest any other way, Kalwejt. Tongue
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« Reply #59 on: September 30, 2011, 02:47:52 pm »
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The "Another Simultaneous Elections Amendment" passed in all 5 regions.

IDS            8 Aye
Pacific        8 Aye
Mideast      13 Aye  1 Nay
Northeast   9 Aye    1 Nay   
Midwest     4 Aye    1 Nay

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« Reply #60 on: October 07, 2011, 02:33:06 pm »
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Northeast doesn't seem to like the Pro-Conscription amendment.
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« Reply #61 on: October 07, 2011, 02:36:19 pm »
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Northeast doesn't seem to like the Pro-Conscription amendment.

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« Reply #62 on: October 07, 2011, 02:40:11 pm »
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Anyone else thinking the Senate is trying too hard to please everybody with these amendments and ends up pleasing very few?
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« Reply #63 on: October 07, 2011, 02:43:52 pm »
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Anyone else thinking the Senate is trying too hard to please everybody with these amendments and ends up pleasing very few?

Maybe. In a political simulation like Atlasia where no one feels the direct consequences of voting "aye" or "nay" on a certain issue, people may be more reluctant to accept compromises and rather vote "nay" if they aren't entirely pleased with a bill/amendment. Then again, if the Senate were to pass extremely ideological bills that wouldn't appeal to everyone either.
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« Reply #64 on: October 07, 2011, 02:48:38 pm »
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We should make our decisions as if we do see consequences. Isn't that the whole point of having a GM and such?
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« Reply #65 on: October 07, 2011, 02:50:35 pm »
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We should make our decisions as if we do see consequences. Isn't that the whole point of having a GM and such?

We don't have one Sad
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« Reply #66 on: October 07, 2011, 02:52:07 pm »
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We should make our decisions as if we do see consequences. Isn't that the whole point of having a GM and such?

We don't have one Sad

The position still exists.
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« Reply #67 on: October 07, 2011, 02:52:56 pm »
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We should make our decisions as if we do see consequences. Isn't that the whole point of having a GM and such?

Yes, we should theoretically. But I don't know if everyone does it.

As for the GM position, I hope we will get someone who is as hard-working and creative as Marokai. Additionally, the Senate and the regional governments and Assemblies should probably refer more to what the GM writes in the future. But that's an entirely different story!
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« Reply #68 on: October 07, 2011, 03:27:52 pm »
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Anyone else thinking the Senate is trying too hard to please everybody with these amendments and ends up pleasing very few?
I don't know if they're trying to please everybody or just the maximum number of Senators.
Most of the time there's no attempt to get public opinion or input before an amendment is passed to the regions. 
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« Reply #69 on: October 07, 2011, 06:25:17 pm »
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Anyone else thinking the Senate is trying too hard to please everybody with these amendments and ends up pleasing very few?
I don't know if they're trying to please everybody or just the maximum number of Senators.
Most of the time there's no attempt to get public opinion or input before an amendment is passed to the regions. 

True, as that is how you get something passed.
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« Reply #70 on: October 07, 2011, 06:30:09 pm »
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Anyone else thinking the Senate is trying too hard to please everybody with these amendments and ends up pleasing very few?
I don't know if they're trying to please everybody or just the maximum number of Senators.
Most of the time there's no attempt to get public opinion or input before an amendment is passed to the regions. 

True, as that is how you get something passed.

No. The Senate shouldn't cater to the superminority of RPP Senators. This type of csompromise killed the regional Senate elections amendments and likely would kill this as well. I'm disappointed that my party could not stand up for decent policy this time. We really fukced up on this and I was the only Senator with the courage to say no thanks. The JCP Senators should have supported Jbrase's original text. That is 2/3 to pass the Senate and it probably would have passed the regions. This amendment is an embarrassment to public policy.
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« Reply #71 on: October 07, 2011, 06:32:42 pm »
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Sometimes you compromise and sometimes you don't. This time it was just a horrendous and completely pointless one.
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« Reply #72 on: October 07, 2011, 08:13:32 pm »
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     The Senate has always had funny ideas of what constituted a sane or passable amendment. Problem is there is no downside to basically ignoring the voters, so we will continue to get bizarre amendments with no support like this.
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« Reply #73 on: October 09, 2011, 08:29:19 pm »
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current tally (Anti-Conscription Amendment)

vote ending Thursday
IDS           3 Aye  2 Nay
Northeast   1 Aye  8 Nay  2 abstain
Midwest               4 Nay

vote ending Saturday
Pacific      2 Aye  1 Nay

vote ending Sunday
Mideast    1 Aye   4 Nay

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« Reply #74 on: October 09, 2011, 11:46:31 pm »
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LOL
and yet the Defence caucus voted against opposing this
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