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« on: October 05, 2014, 09:50:13 am »
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WaPo raises the possibility that she might leave if House Pubs do well next month, but I doubt it. Her hope is to do well enough next month that she can reclaim the gavel in 2016.
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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2014, 10:03:16 am »
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She should have left after 2010. Make room for new leadership.

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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2014, 10:10:19 am »
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For people who are a decade or less younger than her?
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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2014, 10:13:51 am »
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Xavier Berracera should be leader, no doubt. But, she wants to be speaker alongside Hilary in 2016.
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2014, 10:29:01 am »
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Xavier Berracera should be leader, no doubt. But, she wants to be speaker alongside Hilary in 2016.

In the case of Dems picking up the House in 2016, I'd like to see this:

Speaker: Xavier Becerra
Majority Leader: Chris Van Hollen
Majority Whip: (I don't like here, but she'd make a good whip) Tulsi Gabbard.
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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2014, 01:32:21 pm »
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Wonderful news! Pelosi deserves one more chance to try to reclaim the gavel in 2016.
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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2014, 01:33:35 pm »
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Wonderful news! Pelosi deserves one more chance to try to reclaim the gavel in 2016.

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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2014, 01:48:50 pm »
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Speaker: Xavier Becerra
Majority Leader: Chris Van Hollen

Yes!
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« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2014, 04:01:14 pm »
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She should have stepped down and let Steny Hoyer take over a long time ago. The plus side is more donations flood into Republican coffers every time she opens her mouth!
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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2014, 04:15:27 pm »
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She should have stepped down and let Steny Hoyer take over a long time ago. The plus side is more donations flood into Republican coffers every time she opens her mouth!

Incidentally, the only reason Pelosi has remained in power so long is because she is such a good fundraiser for Dems.
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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2014, 04:29:59 pm »
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The Dem's will not take back the House with Pelosi at the helm. She is toxic to swing voters and in many of these red/purple-leaning districts that we need to win back the House. Becerra would be a fresh face and far less controversial than her.
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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2014, 05:44:35 pm »
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The Dem's will not take back the House with Pelosi at the helm. She is toxic to swing voters and in many of these red/purple-leaning districts that we need to win back the House. Becerra would be a fresh face and far less controversial than her.

So is Boehner, but I don't see that stopping people from voting Republican.
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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2014, 06:37:59 pm »
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The Dem's will not take back the House with Pelosi at the helm. She is toxic to swing voters and in many of these red/purple-leaning districts that we need to win back the House. Becerra would be a fresh face and far less controversial than her.

So is Boehner, but I don't see that stopping people from voting Republican.

Far more ads connect Dems to Pelosi than Republicans to Boehner.  Usually the "tea party" attack is more common against them.  Boehner is fairly anonymous for a speaker.
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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2014, 07:12:43 pm »
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The Dem's will not take back the House with Pelosi at the helm. She is toxic to swing voters and in many of these red/purple-leaning districts that we need to win back the House. Becerra would be a fresh face and far less controversial than her.

So is Boehner, but I don't see that stopping people from voting Republican.

Far more ads connect Dems to Pelosi than Republicans to Boehner.  Usually the "tea party" attack is more common against them.  Boehner is fairly anonymous for a speaker.

It's Rasmussen, but they have Boehner at 28-60 and Pelosi at 35-56.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/congressional_favorability_ratings
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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2014, 11:13:28 pm »
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The Dem's will not take back the House with Pelosi at the helm. She is toxic to swing voters and in many of these red/purple-leaning districts that we need to win back the House. Becerra would be a fresh face and far less controversial than her.

So is Boehner, but I don't see that stopping people from voting Republican.

Far more ads connect Dems to Pelosi than Republicans to Boehner.  Usually the "tea party" attack is more common against them.  Boehner is fairly anonymous for a speaker.

It's Rasmussen, but they have Boehner at 28-60 and Pelosi at 35-56.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/congressional_favorability_ratings

I'm sure if Pelosi were speaker right now, those numbers would be flipped.
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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2014, 02:36:33 pm »
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I don't know who Pelosi wants to succeed her but I'm certain that Steny Hoyer is one of the last people she wants replacing her- and the fact that he's still sitting in the number two spot is probably one of the biggest reasons she's still holding on.

The two have had an intense rivalry for quite some time. On October 10th, 2001, Pelosi was elected Minority Whip over Hoyer after an intense campaign that ended in a close vote of 118 to 95. At the end of that term, Minority Leader Gephardt resigned, and Pelosi was easily promoted to fill his place-- and Hoyer took her spot as Minority Whip. So then, in 2006, the Democrats took Congress and Pelosi was easily elevated to the Speakership. However, she took huge steps to prevent Hoyer from stepping up alongside her- Jack Murtha challenged Hoyer for Majority Leader, and Pelosi took the unprecedented step of actively campaigning for Murtha in order to prevent Hoyer's win. Hoyer won, though, 149 votes to 86.

In 2010, the Democrats lost their majority and Pelosi was bumped down from Speaker to Minority Leader. Hoyer and Clyburn were set to face a tough election over the Minority Leader spot, but Hoyer quickly got enough support to guarantee his selection. Pelosi devised a plan to keep Clyburn around to counterbalance Hoyer, by creating an ambiguously defined "Assistant Leader" position for Clyburn that is officially third in the leadership hierarchy after Hoyer, but kinda sounds like it's supposed to be the second in command.

Honestly for the past decade pretty much every single election within the House Democratic Caucus is a battle between Pelosi's people and Hoyer's people. They squabble over ranking member selections and she blocks Hoyer allies from advancement every chance she gets.

Some they they've hated each other since the 1960's when they were both interns in the same Senator's office at the same time. Maybe the bitterness just started in that intense 2001 election that's allowed Pelosi to be exactly one step ahead of Hoyer ever since. They're basically the Rudd and Gillard of the United States except our Gillard has a stronger hold on power. I wouldn't be surprised if she's literally just trying to wait out Hoyer and retire after he does.
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« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2014, 02:41:11 pm »
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Chris Van Hollen would be a great Dem leader.
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« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2014, 03:56:22 pm »
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Pelosi may stay if Hillary or O'Malley wins in 2016 (She's from Baltimore and is a friend of O'Malley), if not, she may leave by 2018.
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« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2014, 04:30:15 pm »
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Pelosi may stay if Hillary or O'Malley wins in 2016 (She's from Baltimore and is a friend of O'Malley), if not, she may leave by 2018.

You just love bumping topics with your "overviews", don't you?
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« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2014, 04:34:19 pm »
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Pelosi may stay if Hillary or O'Malley wins in 2016 (She's from Baltimore and is a friend of O'Malley), if not, she may leave by 2018.

Can you not?
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« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2014, 05:58:51 pm »
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Pelosi may stay if Hillary or O'Malley wins in 2016 (She's from Baltimore and is a friend of O'Malley), if not, she may leave by 2018.

Can you not?

It's an opinion!
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« Reply #21 on: Today at 01:02:10 am »
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Pelosi may stay if Hillary or O'Malley wins in 2016 (She's from Baltimore and is a friend of O'Malley), if not, she may leave by 2018.

Can you not?

It's an opinion!

It also doesn't deserve any sort of necromancy.
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« Reply #22 on: Today at 01:48:28 am »
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The house is probably too gerrymandered to regain control until 2022. Democrats might want to put some resources into state races ahead of the next redistricting this time. 2010 was epic fail.

Pelosi is definitely better than Hoyer.
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