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« on: January 30, 2015, 07:35:16 pm »
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I remember reading about a John Birch Society President (Larry McDonald) somehow being a Democratic congressman.  I was wondering if there were other Democrats in the House or Senate that were further right than at least 1/2 of the GOP.  Who were the other ultra-conservative members of the Democratic caucus?

Also, how do such members progress through the ranks?  Since they vote against the party so much, are they relegated to junk committee memberships?
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2015, 08:05:46 pm »
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James Eastland, I believe, was more conservative than much of the GOP--he chaired the Judiciary Committee from 1956-1978.
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2015, 10:53:45 pm »
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Walt Minnick from Idaho. He has the distinction (baggage) of being one of the very very very few Democrats endorsed by Tea Party groups.
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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2015, 01:54:05 am »
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Minnick and even Eastland were much less conservative then John Rarick (1966-1974) from Louisiana or Bob Stump (1976-1981, then switched to Republican party..) from Arizona. Or even such Democrats as Phil Gramm (1978-1983, then switched to Republican party) from Texas or David Satterfield (1960-1980) from Virginia. Rather good sorted (by liberalism/conservatism) list of members of Congress for years 1937 - 2002 is here:


http://voteview.com/Is_John_Kerry_A_Liberal.htm

By standards of the past Minnick and Bobby Bright are nothing more then slightly "right-of-center Democrats"...

But no one could really compare with Larry McDonald - he was a "unique"...
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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2015, 08:14:38 am »
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Harry Byrd Sr. and Howard Smith have to be on the list.
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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2015, 09:25:03 am »
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Harry Byrd Sr. and Howard Smith have to be on the list.

They were undoubtely very conservative, but, according to data i saw, slightly less then those i mentioned. May be - because both began to serve in 1930th, and most of the Southern Democrats really turned much more conservative in 1940th at least....

James  Haley from Florida, John Bell Williams (Mississippi), William Tuck (Virginia), and, of course, South Carolina's pair: Albert Watson and Strom Thurmond, are also good examples of real conservatives.. Not what's called "conservadems" today...
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2015, 05:00:21 pm »
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Smoltchanov, great link.  Intresting that Ron Paul is considered most conservative.  Was wondering where Clare Hoffman would end up (called for a negotiated end to World War Two in 1943, so he kind of stood out), and he was pretty near by, as was Warren Buffet's dad.
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2015, 08:52:10 pm »
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Ken Lucas has to be one of the most conservative.
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2015, 08:54:30 pm »
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Ken Lucas has to be one of the most conservative.

Not at all, his DW-nominate of  0.004 is more liberal than almost all GOPers.
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2015, 11:22:47 pm »
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Many of the southern Democrats were very conservative and were given chairmanships and high ranks by leadership so as to avoid a rebellion in addition to what eventually happened which is most either retiring or switching parties.
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2015, 11:38:45 pm »
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Larry McDonald
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« Reply #11 on: Today at 01:32:54 am »
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Ken Lucas has to be one of the most conservative.

Not at all - he is uncomparable with those i mentioned. Many younger people simply don't understand what really conservative Democrats were like, and use this term for anyone whose voting record is at least somewhat different from dominating liberal orthodoxy. Most of modern "conservadems" would be considered either moderate or even "slightly liberal" only 30-35 years ago. And the above mentioned Rarick or Stump were, probably, to the right of Huckabee (i don't even say anything for Larry McDonald who was to the right of ALL 1937 - 2002 Republicans, but Ron Paul). THAT was really conservative. And now - there are probably no such Democrats even on local level (the same is generally true for liberal Republicans)
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« Reply #12 on: Today at 01:43:36 am »
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Larry McDonald
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Many of the southern Democrats were very conservative and were given chairmanships and high ranks by leadership so as to avoid a rebellion in addition to what eventually happened which is most either retiring or switching parties.

And naturally so. Most of conservative Democrats of the past supported New Deal at least initially, and FDR surely knew that he will be utterly unable to govern as effectively as he did if he would raise racial (and some other) issues. Truman did  - and "the Great realignment" began (initially slowly, but...). Which is almost over now....

But with more people calling himself "conservative" then "liberal" and extremely high concentration of more liberal people in major urban areas (as a result - considerable part of liberal votes is, essentially, wasted in House elections - you don't need 90+% districts to win them reliably) Republicans have major advantage in district-based elections. Even if we omit turnout problem here..
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Larry was an exception (and, probably, THE only one) even then. Let's talk about someone else...
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Raging moderate. Big fan of "mavericks" (in all parties) and big non-lover of "reliable foot soldiers" (in all parties as well). Very much "anti-tea party". Political Matrix - E: -0.26, S: -3.48. Like to collect bans on partisan sites (4-5 on DKE (+ SSP) and on RRH).
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