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« on: July 06, 2011, 01:17:05 AM »
« edited: July 06, 2011, 01:34:26 AM by MagneticFree »

Could this map be possible in future elections?

The GOP becomes more socially liberal but is still against illegal immigration. CA loses population, moves into the southwest region. Dems start to become more socially moderate but fiscally liberal.
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2011, 01:14:34 PM »

Give OR and WA to the Dems and I'd agree.
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2011, 01:41:37 PM »

If NJ is going GOP, then why not New York?

You do know that the people who live outside of NYC actually can vote, right?  For how much longer can the Upstate area of NY stay Dem?
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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2011, 02:00:46 PM »

If NJ is going GOP, then why not New York?

You do know that the people who live outside of NYC actually can vote, right?  For how much longer can the Upstate area of NY stay Dem?
That's true. But there is one key problem with that problem. Presuming current coalitions continue for another 40 years(am just discussing that to set a baseline scenario)

Upstate New York is bleeding population and is already outweighed by downstate. Also, we've got liberals of our own up here. However, this means NY could go from being deep blue to merely being a typical safe dem state.

This means election results of 51-55% dem instead of our current 55-60% dem lean.  Also, more republican governors/state legislators and representatives or senators.
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2011, 02:14:45 PM »

Also I don't think Dems would win 2 CDs in NE.

NE will probably be down to only 2 CDS by the 2050 census anyway.
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2011, 03:38:30 PM »

That seems mostly realistic, excluding maybe Utah, Oregon and Washington.
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2011, 04:12:45 PM »

Maybe. I would make some adjustments, though.

1) A good year for the Democrats



2) a good republican year

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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2011, 05:21:17 PM »

This is what I think it would look like if 2052 was a fairly neutral year:

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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2011, 05:52:33 PM »

Utah isn't going to go democrat anytime soon.
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2011, 05:55:26 PM »

Utah isn't going to go democrat anytime soon.

Is 2052 too soon?
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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2011, 05:58:11 PM »

If the democratic party has leanings anything like it's current form, then yes.
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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2011, 03:24:40 PM »

I love that almost all maps have NJ going GOP!
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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2011, 03:55:53 PM »

Does anyone see them going back to sort of the Northern Populist type ideology? I'm not sure if I'm making any sense, but basically Democrats re-claim the South-West and partially re-claim the South while Republicans can re-claim some Northern strongholds? Sort of a strange version of what Republicans have today and what they used to have: a combination of Western farmers (specifically in the North-West), Northern businessmen, maybe some blue-collars in Illinois, Michigan, Pennsylvanis, and New Jersey, and to top it off New England. Is there the possibility for anything like that? I just think it creates much more interesting politics.
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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2011, 07:02:34 PM »

Well, in 2052 or at least the 2052 I was projecting American politics looked more latin american in some ways. The democrats looking like Chile's Christian democratic party[1] while the GOP is a party ranging from euro-style liberal-conservative with some more socially conservative elements being conservative-liberals.

Essentially, this is an America that's a nation which looks inwards, never really recovered from the great recession and is mostly latin in population[2].

Democrats
foreign policy: Pacifistic, favor foreign aid
Economics: social market economy/pro-worker corporatism, protectionist
Social issues: moderate, status quo, states rights, anti-abortion(squishy moderate with a moralistic tone)

GOP
foreign policy: General isolationist.
Economics: Favors a freer market, lower taxes.
Social issues: states rights, anti-government lean, law and order(secular center-right?)

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Democrat_Party_(Chile)
[2] Demographic inertia, differential birthrates, kids of anglo-latin relationships choosing to identify with the group that gets AA and the fact that a US which had a 90s Russian-style collapse is still the land of plenty compared to Mexico. However, unlike what Pat buchanan would say they're not spanish-speakers or would-be secessionists.
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« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2011, 09:16:37 PM »

Democrats
Foreign policy: Pacifistic, foreign aid
Economics: Planned economy/pro-worker corporatism, protectionist, more regulations
Social issues: moderate, status quo, states rights, anti-abortion(squishy moderate with a moralistic tone)

GOP
Foreign policy: Isolationist, much like the Federalists. Maybe send funds to closest allies (Japan, Britain, and Canada)
Economics: more free market, lower taxes.
Social issues: moderate to libertarian, doesn't promote religon or church, legalize drugs (some)
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« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2011, 09:45:10 PM »

Well if we are talking 2052 chances are at least one of our major political parties could be dead.
Granted, one hundred and fifty plus years is impressive, but it's still one hundred and fifty plus years.
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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2011, 06:37:16 AM »

Neutral year :




Democratic year :




Republican year :

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« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2011, 05:38:31 PM »

This school year, while I was bored in class, I did elections from 2012-2072. (Over several classes, obviously.)

This was 2052: (parties switched in the late '20s/early '30s; first-term President wins re-election)


Oh, and Puerto Rico, which has 11 EVs, votes Dem.
D322/52.8%
R226/46.0%
Senate: 54R 48D
House: 225D 218R
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« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2011, 01:15:58 AM »

This school year, while I was bored in class, I did elections from 2012-2072. (Over several classes, obviously.)

This was 2052: (parties switched in the late '20s/early '30s; first-term President wins re-election)


Oh, and Puerto Rico, which has 11 EVs, votes Dem.
D322/52.8%
R226/46.0%
Senate: 54R 48D
House: 225D 218R

Do you mean that the ideologies flip of both parties? Or that they go back to their political roots and swap political bases?
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