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« Reply #75 on: July 17, 2011, 04:37:43 PM »

She spells her name Rebekah - that alone should be grounds for arrest.

How vulgar and common. Very American.

Yeah, it's half-assed. Either go all the way back to the start and use Rivqa/Rivka or just accept that Rebecca is the English spelling and has been for centuries. This is almost as bad as naming a child KheightLynne or something instead of Caitlin.

Nowhere near as bad as a name that has been in the local news recently, Charlestoneus Rodriquez Jones.
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« Reply #76 on: July 17, 2011, 05:00:13 PM »

She spells her name Rebekah - that alone should be grounds for arrest.

How vulgar and common. Very American.

Yeah, it's half-assed. Either go all the way back to the start and use Rivqa/Rivka or just accept that Rebecca is the English spelling and has been for centuries. This is almost as bad as naming a child KheightLynne or something instead of Caitlin.

Nowhere near as bad as a name that has been in the local news recently, Charlestoneus Rodriquez Jones.

Oh...oh God. You're right. That is truly, truly awful.

But I still agree that the 'Rebekah' spelling is the sort of thing that (usually) non-Jewish upper-middle-class families just love to do to make their children seem unique.
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« Reply #77 on: July 17, 2011, 05:36:36 PM »

Is the affair about to turn towards Dave again? Or is Mike Smithson over-egging it again?
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« Reply #78 on: July 17, 2011, 06:05:04 PM »

She spells her name Rebekah - that alone should be grounds for arrest.

How vulgar and common. Very American.

Yeah, it's half-assed. Either go all the way back to the start and use Rivqa/Rivka or just accept that Rebecca is the English spelling and has been for centuries. This is almost as bad as naming a child KheightLynne or something instead of Caitlin.

Nowhere near as bad as a name that has been in the local news recently, Charlestoneus Rodriquez Jones.

Oh...oh God. You're right. That is truly, truly awful.

But I still agree that the 'Rebekah' spelling is the sort of thing that (usually) non-Jewish upper-middle-class families just love to do to make their children seem unique.

All of the Rebekahs I've ever known have been Jewish. And I don't think I've ever met a Jewish Rebecca. I think "Rebekah" is the more accepted spelling among Jews.
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« Reply #79 on: July 17, 2011, 06:51:44 PM »


I've not read that site in years, but Smithson always over-eggs things. That way you look like a genius two times a day.

I mean, it's very unlikely. But if it does happen and you openly speculated about the possibility; ah - how insightful you look.
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« Reply #80 on: July 17, 2011, 07:10:41 PM »

Brooks is from Cheshire, you know. Explains a lot.
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« Reply #81 on: July 18, 2011, 12:27:27 AM »

She spells her name Rebekah - that alone should be grounds for arrest.

How vulgar and common. Very American.

Yeah, it's half-assed. Either go all the way back to the start and use Rivqa/Rivka or just accept that Rebecca is the English spelling and has been for centuries. This is almost as bad as naming a child KheightLynne or something instead of Caitlin.

Nowhere near as bad as a name that has been in the local news recently, Charlestoneus Rodriquez Jones.

Oh...oh God. You're right. That is truly, truly awful.

But I still agree that the 'Rebekah' spelling is the sort of thing that (usually) non-Jewish upper-middle-class families just love to do to make their children seem unique.

All of the Rebekahs I've ever known have been Jewish. And I don't think I've ever met a Jewish Rebecca. I think "Rebekah" is the more accepted spelling among Jews.

Really? Huh. I know exactly one Rebekah, who fits into that demographic I just described (as does Brooks from what I know of her). I know both Jewish and Gentile Rebeccas, and some Riv[q/k]as, who are all Jewish. Anyway, I guess I stand corrected.
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« Reply #82 on: July 18, 2011, 08:16:12 AM »

Reports are circulating that John Yates has resigned. Excellent news if true.
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« Reply #83 on: July 18, 2011, 11:19:06 AM »

Yeah, he's gone.

Anyway, and moving back a tad, I do hope that everyone has seen this wonderful video of wonder.
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« Reply #84 on: July 18, 2011, 01:10:01 PM »
« Edited: July 18, 2011, 01:17:24 PM by afleitch »

Meanwhile back on Planet Earth

ICM

CON 37 (-)
LAB 36 (-3)
LIB 16 (+4)

Which is pretty good news. YouGov at the end of last week saw things remain steady. The crisis, while genuine and certainly talked about seems still to be media confined. Ed's ratings have went up, mostly due to Labour supporters being more enthused. Nick Clegg too seems to be doing rather well and getting some benefit from being the Coalitions mouthpiece for once.

Always look outside the Westminster Bubble; inflation and petrol prices will move public opinion more than the hacking scandal.

However, this is now becoming a police[i/] crisis. If Cameron is seen as unable to deal with the police he will take a hit. If he comes across exceptionally well (and Clegg and May have been leading on this) he may take a boost meaning that Ed's grandstanding will, in the short term have been for very little.

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« Reply #85 on: July 18, 2011, 03:34:22 PM »

And Populus comes out with:
LAB 39 (-1)
CON 34 (-5)
LD 11 (+2)

Ed Miliband's popularity is up in ICM (from -21, to -16), while Cameron is static at -5. Nick Clegg has gone from -20 to -21.

The scandal does go beyond the Westminster bubble, people wouldn't be resigning and papers wouldn't be closing if it was so media confined. Cameron is going through this scandal looking horrific to the public. Ed Miliband hasn't become a national hero, he just looks less crap and a bit more electable than he did two weeks ago.
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« Reply #86 on: July 18, 2011, 05:34:23 PM »

In other news, it's the big Committee Day to-morrow. I shall watch it, though I expect it to be a bit of a damp squib; the Brothers Maxwell all over again.
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« Reply #87 on: July 18, 2011, 06:01:42 PM »

Between now and the hearings, some intermission entertainment:

Lulzsec hacks the Sun's frontpage, redirecting traffic to fake article.

News Corporation's US listing drops 4 percent today, 17.4 percent from its high on July 5.
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« Reply #88 on: July 19, 2011, 09:00:29 AM »

RIP Sean Hoare.
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« Reply #89 on: July 19, 2011, 09:59:34 AM »

Rupert Murdoch has just said that Brooks and Hinton were asked to leave NI.
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« Reply #90 on: July 19, 2011, 10:57:11 AM »

A man just tried to attack Murdoch: sitting's been suspended and he's in cuffs.
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« Reply #91 on: July 19, 2011, 10:57:44 AM »

Someone's tried to kill Rupert.
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« Reply #92 on: July 19, 2011, 11:03:21 AM »


Not exactly - more like pie him with shaving foam. Murdoch's missus was not happy.
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« Reply #93 on: July 19, 2011, 11:11:08 AM »

His wife rushing in for a smack was great.

I love Rupert Murdoch. He makes such a great villain.

What a man.
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« Reply #94 on: July 19, 2011, 11:37:09 AM »

His wife rushing in for a smack was great.

I love Rupert Murdoch. He makes such a great villain.

What a man.

And this is why the committee failed. The questioning ran out of steam very quickly, and after Watson's questioning I'm sure many people dropped out. Everyone will be focusing on the pieing while Rebecca Brooks take the stands.

Such theatre!
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« Reply #95 on: July 19, 2011, 12:38:28 PM »

Rumour has it that Cameron has been summoned to appear before the 1922 Committee tomorrow.
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« Reply #96 on: July 19, 2011, 12:53:05 PM »

Speaking of the 1922 Committee,

Chairmen

    * Sir Gervais Rentoul KC (1923 – 1932)
    * William Shepherd Morrison, 1st Viscount Dunrossil GCMG MC KStJ PC QC (1932 – 1935)
    * Hugh O'Neill, 1st Baron Rathcavan PC (1935 – 1939)
    * Patrick Spens, 1st Baron Spens KBE, PC, KC (1939 – 1940)
    * Sir Alexander Galloway Erskine-Hill, 1st Baronet (1940 – 1944)
    * Sir John McEwen, 1st Baronet (1944 – 1945)
    * Arnold Gridley, 1st Baron Gridley KBE (1946 – 1951)
    * Derek Colclough Walker-Smith, Baron Broxbourne PC, TD, QC, Bt. (1951 – 1955)
    * John Morrison, 1st Baron Margadale TD, DL (1955 – 1964)
    * William Anstruther-Gray, Baron Kilmany Bt MC PC (1964 – 1966)
    * Arthur Vere Harvey, Baron Harvey of Prestbury CBE (1966 – 1970)
    * Sir Harry Legge-Bourke KBE (1970 – 1972)
    * Sir Edward du Cann (1972 – 1984)
    * Cranley Onslow, Baron Onslow of Woking KCMG PC (1984 – 1992)
    * Sir Marcus Fox MBE (1992 – 1997)
    * Archie Hamilton, Baron Hamilton of Epsom PC (1997 – 2001)
    * Michael Spicer, Baron Spicer PC Kt (2001 – 2010)

Wot?
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« Reply #97 on: July 19, 2011, 01:59:33 PM »

Both Murdoch's really struggled in front of the committee, though in different ways. Anyway, they were more co-operative than had seemed likely, but still tried very hard to be evasive. Watson was very effective against the father, but Farrelly made the son quite uncomfortable later on.
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« Reply #98 on: July 19, 2011, 02:03:17 PM »

And this is why the committee failed. The questioning ran out of steam very quickly, and after Watson's questioning I'm sure many people dropped out

The committee didn't fail at all; merely getting them to appear and making them obviously uncomfortable on more than one occasion is quite a little triumph for democracy. They were never going to get them to incriminate themselves and that wasn't the point. If it seemed to peter out at points, then that's mostly because of the way that these committees have to operate (everyone asks their questions in turn so any feeling of pressure will depend on the order the MPs are called on) and a less than effective chairman (effective being defined as 'Keith Vaz'). Some important stuff came tumbling out towards the end, wrt the paying of legal costs to Mulcaire and so on.
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« Reply #99 on: July 20, 2011, 09:54:19 AM »

Cameron holding his own today and Miliband continuing to overplay his hand.

I wonder if Labour will now reveal the full details of their extensive relationship with Murdoch when they were in power during (sigh) 'Hackgate'

Ultimately, David Cameron has taken responsibility. From Labour; nothing. Some Labour MP's have tried to say that they were too 'scared' or 'intimidated' by News International to do anything about the allegations (or to stop being their friends...) which comes across as not only blatantly false, but if it has a mere smidgeon of truth to it then it confirms a weakness at the heart of the Labour project. David Cameron hired Coulson, but Coulson is no longer employed by Number 10. whilst Miliband still employs two ex-News International journalists in an advisory capacity.

There is no genuine and legitimate concern from Labour on this matter. Cameron has calmly responded to, at times quite pointless questioning demonstrating that Labour's only interest in phone hacking was for political gain.

This leaves Labour exposed. Cameron may be accused of not answering 'everything.' But Labour have answered nothing. The enquiries will not leave the period from 1997-2010 untouched. They had better be ready.
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