Bachmann signs pledge implying blacks would be better off as slaves

[pbrower2a]

A slave childhood was itself abuse -- even if the parents did nothing to contribute to the abuse.

When it comes to white people discussing black-white race relations, there are three obvious categories.

The first is white people who have black people in their families, perhaps even as children. They know the realities as no other white people can.

The second are white people who usually pretend no expertise on the subject, either going mute or resorting to bland or second-hand generalities intended to avoid offense. They recognize their own ignorance.

The third are white people who, although they know little, pretend to great wisdom that usually contradicts the knowledge of the subject that black people know. They are the sorts who believe that being brought up by a single mother is even worse than being brought up to be a slave.

Abraham Lincoln must be turning over in his grave. 

[Grumps]

The Rickster signed it too.

Congrats, Phil.

[Keystone Phil]

The Rickster signed it too.

Congrats, Phil.

Yes. As usual, the language was taken totally out of context.

[afleitch]

The Rickster signed it too.

Congrats, Phil.

Yes. As usual, the language was taken totally out of context.

Apparently everything Rick does is 'out of context'; which means either he's a bad spinner or an even worse communicator.

[Keystone Phil]

The Rickster signed it too.

Congrats, Phil.

Yes. As usual, the language was taken totally out of context.

Apparently everything Rick does is 'out of context'; which means either he's a bad spinner or an even worse communicator.

Actually, I was commenting here because the story was just covered on Hardball and they showed the slavery quote. So much of the focus has been on Bachmann signing it (BECUZ SANTORUM IS SO OBVIOUSLY IRRELEVANT!!!) so I was going to defend her. Chris Matthews went on to mention that Santorum also signed it and I then noticed Texasgurl's quote.

No need to get snippy, afleitch. I know times are tough for you around these parts but barking at the "irrelevant" Santorum is just so beneath you.

[Joe Republic]

The comment about blacks was easy to misinterpret at first, but hey, it's not like a President Bachmann or a President Santorum would actually have to carefully read and comprehend the full implications of stuff before they sign their name to it.

No, more important to me is that this pledge also (clearly) calls for the total ban of pornography.  To which I say, "Shove it."  But I know that these two small government conservatives are simply trying to protect and defend my own moral values in case I stray from the Golden Path, so for that I guess I should be grateful.

[Keystone Phil]

The comment about blacks was easy to misinterpret at first, but hey, it's not like a President Bachmann or a President Santorum would actually have to carefully read and comprehend the full implications of stuff before they sign their name to it.

Why should they back down from signing it when others misinterpreted the comment?

No, more important to me is that this pledge also (clearly) calls for the total ban of pornography.  To which I say, "Shove it."  But I know that these two small government conservatives are simply trying to protect and defend my own moral values in case I stray from the Golden Path, so for that I guess I should be grateful.

This is where they ought to be called out for not carefully reading the pledge. Despite their socially correct stances, I doubt that either actually believe in banning porn.

[Joe Republic]

The comment about blacks was easy to misinterpret at first, but hey, it's not like a President Bachmann or a President Santorum would actually have to carefully read and comprehend the full implications of stuff before they sign their name to it.

Why should they back down from signing it when others misinterpreted the comment?

The same reason the Family Leader eventually retracted that section of the pledge, perhaps?

Despite their socially correct stances, I doubt that either actually believe in banning porn.

I disagree, as I prefer not to underestimate the insanity of Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum. 

[Simfan34]

The idea that family ties were better during a time where masters forcibly separated families than today is ludicrous.

[white trash heroes]

Sounds like she's got the spirit of John Wayne!

[Keystone Phil]

The comment about blacks was easy to misinterpret at first, but hey, it's not like a President Bachmann or a President Santorum would actually have to carefully read and comprehend the full implications of stuff before they sign their name to it.

Why should they back down from signing it when others misinterpreted the comment?

The same reason the Family Leader eventually retracted that section of the pledge, perhaps?

Yes, they retracted it because it was misinterpreted. They understand why people could be confused with the wording as can I. That doesn't mean people that correctly understood this aspect of the pledge should back down.

[Joe Republic]

Well, while we're already giving Bachmann and Santorum far too much benefit of the doubt, it turns out the version of the pledge Bachmann signed didn't mention anything about slavery.  How peculiar!

And while speaking on Hannity's show, she also took the opportunity to announce a couple of new bumper sticker slogans for her campaign, such as "It’s good that we no longer have slavery" and "I just want to make it absolutely clear: I abhor slavery."

Go Michele!

[State Comptroller Atkins]

Well, while we're already giving Bachmann and Santorum far too much benefit of the doubt, it turns out the version of the pledge Bachmann signed didn't mention anything about slavery.  How peculiar!

And while speaking on Hannity's show, she also took the opportunity to announce a couple of new bumper sticker slogans for her campaign, such as "It’s good that we no longer have slavery" and "I just want to make it absolutely clear: I abhor slavery."

Go Michele!

You are a Left-Wing Communist hack.

[Joe Republic]

Well, while we're already giving Bachmann and Santorum far too much benefit of the doubt, it turns out the version of the pledge Bachmann signed didn't mention anything about slavery.  How peculiar!

And while speaking on Hannity's show, she also took the opportunity to announce a couple of new bumper sticker slogans for her campaign, such as "It’s good that we no longer have slavery" and "I just want to make it absolutely clear: I abhor slavery."

Go Michele!

You are a Left-Wing Communist hack.

OK.

[Communists For McCain]

This is the same pledge in which she promised to ban pornography.

This pledge strikes at the root of my values.

[Former Moderate]

I have a feeling she didn't read the thing before signing.

Only a fool signs anything before reading something non-routine. President Barack Obama has a degree from an honest-to- Oliver Wendell Holmes law school, and he would never make that mistake.

O RLY.

[LINCOLN REPUBLICAN]

The Rickster signed it too.

Congrats, Phil.

Ah, I see the Winfield legacy lives on..........and on..........and on..........and on..........and on..........

[a Person]

I have a feeling she didn't read the thing before signing.

Only a fool signs anything before reading something non-routine. President Barack Obama has a degree from an honest-to- Oliver Wendell Holmes law school, and he would never make that mistake.

O RLY.

I think you're misreading the article. It seems obvious that Obama read and filled out the questionnaire and that he (at least at that point in time) approved of gay marriage.
Flipflopping =/= Carelessness

[Smash255]

The comment about blacks was easy to misinterpret at first, but hey, it's not like a President Bachmann or a President Santorum would actually have to carefully read and comprehend the full implications of stuff before they sign their name to it.

Why should they back down from signing it when others misinterpreted the comment?

The same reason the Family Leader eventually retracted that section of the pledge, perhaps?

Yes, they retracted it because it was misinterpreted. They understand why people could be confused with the wording as can I. That doesn't mean people that correctly understood this aspect of the pledge should back down.

Oh yes misrepresented.   No, it was clear as day.

Hateful people put hateful language in it, and other hateful people signed it

[Joe Republic]

The Rickster signed it too.

Congrats, Phil.

Ah, I see the Winfield legacy lives on..........and on..........and on..........and on..........and on..........

If being laughed at by everybody is how you want your 'legacy' to endure, then feel free.  At least mypalfish admitted that his equally legendary post was also shamefully ridiculous.  And for that I congratulate Phil on all his hard work.

[Keystone Phil]

The comment about blacks was easy to misinterpret at first, but hey, it's not like a President Bachmann or a President Santorum would actually have to carefully read and comprehend the full implications of stuff before they sign their name to it.

Why should they back down from signing it when others misinterpreted the comment?

The same reason the Family Leader eventually retracted that section of the pledge, perhaps?

Yes, they retracted it because it was misinterpreted. They understand why people could be confused with the wording as can I. That doesn't mean people that correctly understood this aspect of the pledge should back down.

Oh yes misrepresented.   No, it was clear as day.

Hateful people put hateful language in it, and other hateful people signed it

Smash, are you stupid enough to believe that the hateful people to which you are eluding really support slavery? Now I know you are boneheaded but are you that boneheaded?

The wording wasn't "clear as day." People took it to mean that slavery was a positive because at least slaves had a family unit. That wasn't the point at all. Reasonable people here have accepted that but believe the wording could have been better. People like yourself - idiotic hacks - like to convince yourself that its intention was evil.

[King]

They don't have to support slavery for this pledge to make them hateful.

[Simfan34]

Bachmania!

[LINCOLN REPUBLICAN]

The Rickster signed it too.

Congrats, Phil.

Ah, I see the Winfield legacy lives on..........and on..........and on..........and on..........and on..........

If being laughed at by everybody is how you want your 'legacy' to endure, then feel free.  At least mypalfish admitted that his equally legendary post was also shamefully ridiculous.  And for that I congratulate Phil on all his hard work.

Oh Joe, Joe, Joe, bitterness, personal insults, and disseminating falsehoods are so unbecoming.

You know, there is an old saying, that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, in which case, I have been overly flatered on this fourm.  Really, I am undeserving of all this flattery.

[Proud Lieberal from Northeast]

The Rickster signed it too.

Congrats, Phil.

Ah, I see the Winfield legacy lives on..........and on..........and on..........and on..........and on..........

If being laughed at by everybody is how you want your 'legacy' to endure, then feel free.  At least mypalfish admitted that his equally legendary post was also shamefully ridiculous.  And for that I congratulate Phil on all his hard work.

Oh Joe, Joe, Joe, bitterness, personal insults, and disseminating falsehoods are so unbecoming.

You know, there is an old saying, that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, in which case, I have been overly flatered on this fourm.  Really, I am undeserving of all this flattery.

Stop picking on Winfield, Joe. It's just about as mean as picking on Gporter.