Big majority of Palestinians wants jobs, dead Jews

[opebo]

Oh, it's rather that you seem to think that the masses must be wiped into a hate-filled frenzy in order to reach desirable policy aims. That seems to reflect a rather medieval mindset. We did not for example slaughter all Germans after WWII and the world has been a lot better off for it - Germany has contributed a lot both economically and culturally to Europe and the world during the last 60 years.

Meh, some things better, some things worse.

[Foucaulf]

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This is a killer statistic for me. It makes sense for the Palestinians; who cares about a two-state solution if the economy is still dominated by Jewish consumption and foreign aid? The choice between living in a pariah state and being free to participate in a joint state obviously favours the latter. A shame the one-state solution was thrown out as utopian, and Israeli Jews suffer equally from the islamophobia growing across the West.
 

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[opebo]

I suppose this is encouraging for those who dislike both Muslims and Jews.

[Person Man]

Well, in Gustaf's defense it really is the Jews who would have more to lose in this situation. It appears that they found a place where they can live knowing they won't be killed by the indiginous population. The Palestinians have a couple of million square miles of people who are very similiar to them in culture, ethnicity and common experiences. If Palm Beach, Broward and the non-Cuban parts of Dade county were an independent country, I would be more sympathetic to those who wish to curb the continuity of the state of Israel.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Well, in Gustaf's defense it really is the Jews who would have more to lose in this situation. It appears that they found a place where they can live knowing they won't be killed by the indigenous population. The Palestinians have a couple of million square miles of people who are very similar to them in culture, ethnicity and common experiences. If Palm Beach, Broward and the non-Cuban parts of Dade county were an independent country, I would be more sympathetic to those who wish to curb the continuity of the state of Israel.

I would dispute both the idea that Jews have found in the State of Israel"a place where they can live knowing they won't be killed by the indigenous population" and the idea that Israel would be just fine if the Palestinians became part of a pan-Arabic consciousness instead of trying for a state of their own.  If the Arab countries ever unite, which they never have during the existence of the State of Israel, the days of the existence of said State will be numbered.  The State of Israel has survived this long only because of the divisions between the Arabs and the unity of the Jews.

[Gustaf]

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This is a killer statistic for me. It makes sense for the Palestinians; who cares about a two-state solution if the economy is still dominated by Jewish consumption and foreign aid? The choice between living in a pariah state and being free to participate in a joint state obviously favours the latter. A shame the one-state solution was thrown out as utopian, and Israeli Jews suffer equally from the islamophobia growing across the West.
 

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Yeah...there won't be a one-state solution, because such a state would have an Arab majority. If there was peace there would be no problem with the two-state solution though. It's not as if the geographic position is inherently problematic.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Yeah...there won't be a one-state solution, because such a state would have an Arab majority. If there was peace there would be no problem with the two-state solution though. It's not as if the geographic position is inherently problematic.

Yes it is, tho the problem is focused on one small area: the Temple Mount.

[Person Man]

Yeah...there won't be a one-state solution, because such a state would have an Arab majority. If there was peace there would be no problem with the two-state solution though. It's not as if the geographic position is inherently problematic.

Yes it is, tho the problem is focused on one small area: the Temple Mount.

That's pretty much the crux of the controversy. Otherwise, a two state solution would have been done decades ago.

[The Mikado]

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...This is absolutely adorable.

[they don't love you like i love you]

Yeah...there won't be a one-state solution, because such a state would have an Arab majority. If there was peace there would be no problem with the two-state solution though. It's not as if the geographic position is inherently problematic.

Yes it is, tho the problem is focused on one small area: the Temple Mount.

For the record, this has reminded me of how amusing I find it when Republicans who are relatively sane and not evangelical but with similar sympathies complain about how most American Jews reject evangelicals and all Republicans despite that group being the group "most supportive of Israel" (I remember Phil for example complaining about this once.) Anyone should read jmfcst's posts about the Temple Mount, or just about anything John Hagee has written, and then it shouldn't be too surprising why most Jews or people in Israel don't exactly find their vision for Israel something to relish.

[Gustaf]

Yeah...there won't be a one-state solution, because such a state would have an Arab majority. If there was peace there would be no problem with the two-state solution though. It's not as if the geographic position is inherently problematic.

Yes it is, tho the problem is focused on one small area: the Temple Mount.

I don't think that's inherently problematic though if people would calm down. I mean, I realize it's a big deal right now but I don't buy that it's fundamentally a problem.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Yeah...there won't be a one-state solution, because such a state would have an Arab majority. If there was peace there would be no problem with the two-state solution though. It's not as if the geographic position is inherently problematic.

Yes it is, tho the problem is focused on one small area: the Temple Mount.

I don't think that's inherently problematic though if people would calm down. I mean, I realize it's a big deal right now but I don't buy that it's fundamentally a problem.

Actually as Israel has been getting less and less secular since it was established, it is even more of a problem now than it was then.  Keep in mind that the original 1921 two-state solution for Palestine was Cisjordan for the Jews and Transjordan for the Arabs.  If I were a Palestinian, why should I believe that the Jews would stay satisfied with a modest modification of the 1949-67 border if they insist on keeping the Temple Mount?

[they don't love you like i love you]

Has Gustaf realized the hypocrisy of speaking out against the demonization of a group of people  when promoting that is exactly what he's doing with this thread? "Hey check this out, the Palestinians are all blood-thirsty maniacs who want to slaughter Jews!"

[ZuWo]

Has Gustaf realized the hypocrisy of speaking out against the demonization of a group of people  when promoting that is exactly what he's doing with this thread? "Hey check this out, the Palestinians are all blood-thirsty maniacs who want to slaughter Jews!"

And where does Gustaf promote the demonization of a group of people (=the Palestinians)? He made a thread about a poll which showed really disturbing results about how many Palestinians view Jews. I'm aware of the fact this is not what Israel-bashers want to read since it doesn't fit their one-sided mindset but it is something which must be kept in mind when the Middle East conflict is discussed.

[Gustaf]

Has Gustaf realized the hypocrisy of speaking out against the demonization of a group of people  when promoting that is exactly what he's doing with this thread? "Hey check this out, the Palestinians are all blood-thirsty maniacs who want to slaughter Jews!"

If I had actually said that, you would have had a point. Since I did not say that I don't really see how you do.

I certainly haven't advocated killing all the Palestinians. Nor have I even said something along the lines of "In light of this poll result I think we must understand that Israel would want to kill all the Palestinians. If I were Israeli, I certainly would want to see the corpses of their children thrown down in mass-graves"

If I said something like that I agree it would be hypocritical for me to consider Lief and his views utterly disgusting. Unfortunately fo ryour attempt to play gotcha, I don't support mass-genocide even of people belonging to a group aligned with a political movement with which I disagree. I realize that for someone like you this may seem like an alien concept, so I'm willing to explain the notition of individual human rights to you if you want me to.

[TheGlobalizer]

Israelis don't deserve to be killed, but frankly, they're doing a lot to deserve the hatred.

It'll be interesting when the UN resolution fails but countries start recognizing the PA as a sovereign state anyway.

[opebo]

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...This is absolutely adorable.

Yes, the idea of anthropomorphic rocks and bushes calling out 'kill this mo-fo' in cute little cartoon voices is adorable.. and I did several google searches for something like that but really came up dry.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Title changed to reflect the other side of the coin.

[Gustaf]

Title changed to reflect the other side of the coin.

You might want to have a source for that though. Or start your own flame-war thread.

(although I'll admit that I expected the responses to this one to be more along the lines of "they don't really want to kill all the Jews" as opposed to "Of course, who doesn't want to kill all the Jews". I guess the forum left can still surprise me)

[J. J.]

I'm trying to figure out where the jobs come in.

I was going suggest there could be one solution to both problems; they all become morticians.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

The 30% who are pro-killing-innocent-people should be deported, and the remaining 70% given a '67 based state.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

Anyone should read jmfcst's posts about the Temple Mount, or just about anything John Hagee has written, and then it shouldn't be too surprising why most Jews or people in Israel don't exactly find their vision for Israel something to relish.

actually, my views are much closer to Justin Martyr than a pretribist like Hagee...you should learn the difference between the two before making any posts like this