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« on: July 22, 2011, 09:35:28 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2011, 09:41:18 AM »
Ah, remember when we used to talk about the Iraq war and Imperialism in the same thread. Those certainly were the days, weren't they? I trust this nostalgic Libertasian experience shall be of the upmost fun. Wink
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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2011, 09:44:15 AM »
I don't think I need to tell Senators that this is a terrible bill.  It would radically damage our foreign policy; plunge Iraq and Afghanistan into chaos, and allow Gadaffi to regain power in Libya, ending all hope for regime change.  Let the foreign policy and defense experts advising the President handle troop numbers, so that we don't reflexively commit very serious damage.  The President's recently announced plan shows progress is being made; let us go at that pace.
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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2011, 10:30:27 AM »
LOL
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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2011, 10:31:41 AM »
I urge the Senate to reject this dangerous bill and stay the course with the plan President Polnut has put into place.
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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2011, 10:51:30 AM »
A regime change is not our job. We are not the world police; we cannot afford to be. Our actions overseas, for every drop of Atlasian or foreign blood spilled, are sowing the seeds of hatred, leading to an expanded terrorist network. The international murderers who wish to see us dead have a rallying cry: our unwanted presence. Approaching a decade in Afghanistan and spreading our forces thin elsewhere, we daemonstrate to more powerful, more dangerous nations that we cannot even complete the job in small and undeveloped nations.
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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2011, 10:52:35 AM »

You make such compelling arguments, Senator.
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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2011, 10:54:42 AM »

This bill is ridiculous and hackish to the point of reminding (as Yankee said) good old Libertas. It doesn't deserve more comments.

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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2011, 11:10:06 AM »
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A vote is open on the Motion to Table the "End to Imperialism Act". Senator's please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2011, 11:11:57 AM »
NAY!
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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2011, 11:18:16 AM »
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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2011, 11:29:59 AM »
If anyone wonders why no one cares about foreign policy, perhaps it is because we don't even allow other points of view to be debated.
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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2011, 11:55:38 AM »
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« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2011, 12:10:54 PM »
Nay, maybe we could get some amendments on it?
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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2011, 01:00:21 PM »
Yes, don't table this bill.  We should debate the bill, see that it is a disastrous piece of legislation, and reject it.  But, we should allow Napoleon to present his arguments.

Quote from: Senator Fuzzleton on July 22, 2011, 12:10:54 PM
Nay, maybe we could get some amendments on it?

Frankly, given the plan the President put through, I don't think we need amendments.  I think we should follow the President's plan.
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« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2011, 03:41:33 PM »
Do we have troops still stationed in Korea and Germany? if so I would like to have them added to the bill as well once the table vote is over.

*Waits for people to start using the term "isolationist" incorrectly.
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« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2011, 03:47:28 PM »
nay.
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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2011, 05:42:11 PM »
nay
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« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2011, 05:59:46 PM »
Aye
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« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2011, 07:32:09 PM »
Quote from: Napoleon on July 22, 2011, 10:51:30 AM
The international murderers who wish to see us dead have a rallying cry: our unwanted presence.

Their desire to see us dead will not change if we bow down to their wishes.
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« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2011, 07:47:46 PM »
Senators supporting the motion: Antonio, Duke
Senators opposed: Napoleon, Jbrase, Fuzzleton, bgwah, Snowguy

The motion to table the bill has failed. Debate resumes.
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« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2011, 08:01:36 PM »
I would support an amended form of this bill that lengthened the withdrawal period to a more realistic amount.  I believe democratic movements have to be home-grown.. and while I understand the bombings in Libya are meant to try and stop a pathetic dictator from bombing his own people, arming the opposition generally hasn't worked out very well for us.

As far as Afghanistan and Iraq... at this point, they will get the government they deserve.  I am optimistic for Iraq.. not so much for Afghanistan.
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« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2011, 08:03:36 PM »
Quote from: Senator SayNoToRomney on July 22, 2011, 07:32:09 PM
Quote from: Napoleon on July 22, 2011, 10:51:30 AM
The international murderers who wish to see us dead have a rallying cry: our unwanted presence.

Their desire to see us dead will not change if we bow down to their wishes.

Their ability to will be hindered. Especially if you count troops as part of that "us", which I do.
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« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2011, 08:04:59 PM »
Snowguy, is 60 days good enough?
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« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2011, 08:16:15 PM »
I think 90 days would be appropriate.  That's 3 months... that gives 6 weeks for preparation and 6 weeks for execution.
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