SENATE BILL: End to Imperialism Act (Law'd)

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

so we are no longer directly supporting the rebels in Libya?

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Well... we are protecting civilians in rebel-held areas.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Also, Atlasia recognizes the NTC as the official government of Libya.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Well... we are protecting civilians in rebel-held areas.

I want assurance that goal is not being used carte blanche for arming the rebels or targeting the current regime.

[Ban my account ffs!]

Are we moving forward with this bill?

Also.. why is the original post not updated to reflect the passed amendments?  I'm pretty sure the bill should indicate withdrawing funds from troop involvement, and not simple withdrawl of troops.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Senators have 24 hours to object to the sponsor originated Amendment

With no objection in the 24 hours following the posting of this, Amendment 44:13 has passed.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Are we moving forward with this bill?

Also.. why is the original post not updated to reflect the passed amendments?  I'm pretty sure the bill should indicate withdrawing funds from troop involvement, and not simple withdrawl of troops.

I have never updated OPs, save for the subject line in the OP to change the heading of the thread. As such why are you suprised to not see it so?

Because the debate carried over to next page, I forgot to announce that the amendment had passed. Normally when I make such a declaration of passage, I post the updated text.

[Ban my account ffs!]

Are we moving forward with this bill?

Also.. why is the original post not updated to reflect the passed amendments?  I'm pretty sure the bill should indicate withdrawing funds from troop involvement, and not simple withdrawl of troops.

I have never updated OPs, save for the subject line in the OP to change the heading of the thread. As such why are you suprised to not see it so?

Because the debate carried over to next page, I forgot to announce that the amendment had passed. Normally when I make such a declaration of passage, I post the updated text.

I always thought you did... which is why I always did.  It wouldn't hurt   I mean.. it's not like you're overworked or anything

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Are we moving forward with this bill?

Also.. why is the original post not updated to reflect the passed amendments?  I'm pretty sure the bill should indicate withdrawing funds from troop involvement, and not simple withdrawl of troops.

I have never updated OPs, save for the subject line in the OP to change the heading of the thread. As such why are you suprised to not see it so?

Because the debate carried over to next page, I forgot to announce that the amendment had passed. Normally when I make such a declaration of passage, I post the updated text.

I always thought you did... which is why I always did.  It wouldn't hurt   I mean.. it's not like you're overworked or anything

I never have. Never noticed, BK, MJ, or MB doing it, but I may be wrong on one or two of them.

I considered it, since you did it, but I figured it might encourage Senators to follow the threads more closely if I didn't.

I did keep your improvements to the Noticeboard though, as well as the practice of putting "SENATE BILL:" in front of bill titles in the subject line. Just in case you hadn't noticed.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

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Senators have 24 hours to object to the sponsor originated Amendment

With no objection in the 24 hours following the posting of this, Amendment 44:13 has passed and as such the current text is as below:

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I object on the grounds that combat troops in Libya were never authorized by the Senate in the first place, so "no longer authorized" is inaccurate.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Okay, I now see what I did and why.

The reason I didn't move forward before, was because of shua's objection to the amendment on the grounds of the lack of authorization for the Libyan intervention, and I didn't want to start a vote on an amendment that seem likely to be withdrawn/modified, at the time.

The last word from the sponsor of this amendment and the underlying bill was that he was "weighing options".


So forgot everything I said yesterday on this bill procedure wise and in terms of Senate procedure.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

A MORE ACCURATE STATUS OF THE BILL:

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Pending Amendments

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Sponsor Feedback: Origination
Objection: Yes (shua)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Is there to be a correction of the terminology regarding Libya or do we begin a vote on the current text of Amendment 44:13?

I'd hate to start a vote and then be in need of stopping it like that Amendment on the Smoking bill I think was (Whichever one BK stopped by declaring it frivolous and impractical).

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Napoleon? I need a response on that.

[Bacon King]

I'm not going to comment on the merits of shua's argument itself because it doesn't matter in the context here; the amendment is fine as-is. Even if one accepts the premise that our current military engagement in Libya was conducted without the implicit authorization of the Senate, it's irrelevant to the wording of the bill. The funding for the Atlasian military units currently engaged in Libya is authorized by the Senate (along with funding for every other unit in the armed forces). The amendment as worded isn't presuming that the Senate has authorized the combat troops' actions at all.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Good point, the use of the word "authorized" refers to the funding for such actions, not the authorization of the action itself.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I'll remove my objection and let the amendment go forward. However we still need to establish whether we have in Libya what can be considered "combat troops" for purposes of this bill.

[Bacon King]

I'll remove my objection and let the amendment go forward. However we still need to establish whether we have in Libya what can be considered "combat troops" for purposes of this bill.

It would probably be good to define "combat troops" in the bill, perhaps something like, "Atlasian military units currently engaged in combat operations" or something?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I'll remove my objection and let the amendment go forward. However we still need to establish whether we have in Libya what can be considered "combat troops" for purposes of this bill.

It would probably be good to define "combat troops" in the bill, perhaps something like, "Atlasian military units currently engaged in combat operations" or something?

I think the general sense of the term is troops deployed for the purpose of combat operations. Based on what the President said about the current mission in Libya, it sounds like there's no reason to authorize any combat troops there for even the next 90 days.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Considering that the only objection raised during that 24 hours has been removed, the amendment 44:13 is considered to have passed:

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[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Due to the different circumstances in each country, I submit the following amendment:

End to Imperialism Act
Funding for combat troops in Libya, and transfer of weapons to combatants there, shall no longer be authorized by this Senate effective 30 days following passage.
Funding for combat troops in Iraq shall no longer be authorized by this Senate effective 60 days following passage.
Funding for combat troops in Afghanistan shall no longer be authorized by this Senate effective 120 days following passage.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Sponsor Feedback: Pending

[Napoleon]

Accepted as friendly.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senators have 24 hours to object to this amendment.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The amendment has passed.


Are we done here?