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« Reply #200 on: September 03, 2011, 06:26:49 pm »
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I don't think the mere presence of extra men will provide enough additional incentive for someone to cross that line in the sand and decide to start planting car bombs. For most that decision is based on "there or not" rather then a "few to many".

Now we should keep the number to a minimum for the sake of not exposing additional men to that risk who don't need to be there.




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« Reply #201 on: September 05, 2011, 11:26:38 pm »
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Am I correct in saying that it's the President that needs to respond to shua's concerns. I can PM him, but I may not have time tonight.
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« Reply #202 on: September 06, 2011, 12:24:07 am »
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Apologies Senators,

The original time-frame proposed was based on preliminary information that wasn't accurate plus,  President Karazi's decision to not seek re-election had not been taken into account.

It was determined that Kabul would require more effort to both stabilise the city and provide training.
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« Reply #203 on: September 06, 2011, 12:40:58 am »
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Thank you Polnut, I understand there was a necessary rethinking of the timeframe, but my concern  now is to get an idea of the scope of the project during the summer/fall next year. So, our troops would be not just training, but engaged in stabilization as well; or only in training camps within and around the city? Roughly how many troops are we talking about staying in Kabul then, and how does this compare to the number there currently?
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« Reply #204 on: September 06, 2011, 04:56:09 pm »
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Once combat forces formally leave in May, the intended role for the stabilisation force will not be to engage in traditional combat but to act in two specific roles.

1. To provide a peace-keeping presence in Kabul, their rules of engagement will allow for the protection of civilians and civilian infrastructure, as well as guarding the Atlasian embassy and the training forces; whose

2. Sole purpose will be to provide training for the Afghan Army.

In relation to raw numbers, the scope of the project is still being assessed, but after 1 May - the number of troops will be 5-10% of current forces (closer to 5%)
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« Reply #205 on: September 06, 2011, 11:32:34 pm »
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Thank you President, for clarifying.

My opinion is that if there is to be a peacekeeping presence in Kabul, that the Senate needs to specify this as being authorized  - otherwise I would read it as saying that our only role would be training.
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« Reply #206 on: September 07, 2011, 06:12:06 pm »
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So we need an amendment to this bill then to authorize this presence?
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« Reply #207 on: September 10, 2011, 10:24:40 pm »
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So we need an amendment to this bill then to authorize this presence?

Will anyone be doing this?
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« Reply #208 on: September 11, 2011, 06:56:12 pm »
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Debate on this has seems have to ended, despite talk of further amendments. I might try to open a final vote on this soon if you guys are done.
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« Reply #209 on: September 12, 2011, 02:15:48 am »
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End to Imperialism Act
Funding for combat troops in Libya, and transfer of weapons to combatants there, shall no longer be authorized by this Senate effective September 15, 2011.
Funding for combat troops in Iraq shall no longer be authorized by this Senate effective November 30, 2011.
Funding for combat troops in Afghanistan shall no longer be authorized by this Senate effective May 1, 2012, excepting training forces in Kabul. Funding for the remaining troops in Afghanistan shall no longer be authorized by this Senate effective October 1, 2012.


With no debate in the past 24 hours, a final vote is now open on the End to Imperialism Act, Senators please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.
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« Reply #210 on: September 12, 2011, 02:16:55 am »
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« Reply #211 on: September 12, 2011, 02:21:08 am »
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« Reply #212 on: September 12, 2011, 02:31:34 am »
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« Reply #213 on: September 12, 2011, 03:13:52 am »
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« Reply #214 on: September 12, 2011, 08:42:46 am »
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« Reply #215 on: September 12, 2011, 09:25:44 am »
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so you're not giving the President authority for a peacekeeping presence? okay.
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« Reply #216 on: September 12, 2011, 03:19:41 pm »
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This bill has enough votes to pass. Senators have 24 hours to change their votes.
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« Reply #217 on: September 12, 2011, 06:07:17 pm »
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« Reply #218 on: September 12, 2011, 07:02:31 pm »
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« Reply #219 on: September 12, 2011, 11:09:00 pm »
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« Reply #220 on: September 13, 2011, 12:41:03 am »
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so you're not giving the President authority for a peacekeeping presence? okay.
The senate is authorizing a training force presence in Kabul.  What that training force does is up to the president and the military.
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« Reply #221 on: September 13, 2011, 07:06:04 am »
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so you're not giving the President authority for a peacekeeping presence? okay.
The senate is authorizing a training force presence in Kabul.  What that training force does is up to the president and the military.
Then why doesn't it just say "forces" instead of "training forces" if they are doing things other than training?
What is a training force except a force engaged in training?
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« Reply #222 on: September 13, 2011, 03:21:54 pm »
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This bill has passed with 7 ayes and 2 nays.

It is now presented to the President for his signature.
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« Reply #223 on: September 13, 2011, 03:25:42 pm »
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« Reply #224 on: September 13, 2011, 04:12:19 pm »
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Now can we turn to the FPR and GTO bills waiting in the wings?
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