Breaking News: Preferential Voting is Unconstitutional

[King]

I was just looking at how we enacted Preferential Voting and um, it was submitted and passed as BILL and never AMENDED the constitution so the original election system in the Atlas Constitution overrides the Preferential Voting Bill.

This means the Supreme Court has the power to overturn the results of every federal election held after May 7th, 2004.

Good job, Senators!

[7,052,770]

d'oh!

[Nation]

Yes, but that would be stupid and make half of the voters here just stop coming (well, I would).

[MAS117]

AND WE MOVE INTO ANARCHY. for now on just approval voting system

[A18]

You still can't just count the first preference. There'd have to be a whole new vote.

[Akno21]

That new Constitutional Convention is looking pretty good right now.

Personally, we need to stop getting bogged down in technicalities. The bill passed. We are in fantasy elections, not the AG's office.

[7,052,770]

That new Constitutional Convention is looking pretty good right now.

Personally, we need to stop getting bogged down in technicalities. The bill passed. We are in fantasy elections, not the AG's office.

exactly...we need a lot looser interpretation of the constitution.

[A18]

Just ignore the Constitution like real politicians do.

[Akno21]

That new Constitutional Convention is looking pretty good right now.

Personally, we need to stop getting bogged down in technicalities. The bill passed. We are in fantasy elections, not the AG's office.

exactly...we need a lot looser interpretation of the constitution.

I'm sure if we look hard enough we could find many more loopholes.
We are not perfect, and instead of trying to perfect ourselves lets just move on.

[King]

Personally, we need to stop getting bogged down in technicalities. The bill passed. We are in fantasy elections, not the AG's office.

But this could mean a lot, plus StevenNick and Harry could request a revote since they lost because of the preferential voting system.

[Akno21]

Personally, we need to stop getting bogged down in technicalities. The bill passed. We are in fantasy elections, not the AG's office.

But this could mean a lot, plus StevenNick and Harry could request a revote since they lost because of the preferential voting system.

I certainly would advise Harry against doing that and would hope StevenNick would also not request a revote.

I was elected to the Senate due to Pref. Voting, I like it the way it is.

[Sam Spade]

Personally, we need to stop getting bogged down in technicalities. The bill passed. We are in fantasy elections, not the AG's office.

But this could mean a lot, plus StevenNick and Harry could request a revote since they lost because of the preferential voting system.

Absolutely.  When's the Supreme Court gonna recover?  I'm think about starting a revolution, myself..

[King]

Personally, we need to stop getting bogged down in technicalities. The bill passed. We are in fantasy elections, not the AG's office.

But this could mean a lot, plus StevenNick and Harry could request a revote since they lost because of the preferential voting system.

Absolutely.  When's the Supreme Court gonna recover?  I'm think about starting a revolution, myself..

We already *had* one, it was unsuccessful...

[Keystone Phil]

Personally, we need to stop getting bogged down in technicalities. The bill passed. We are in fantasy elections, not the AG's office.

But this could mean a lot, plus StevenNick and Harry could request a revote since they lost because of the preferential voting system.

I was elected to the Senate due to Pref. Voting, I like it the way it is.

Funny. That same election is why I am so opposed to preferential voting. I wonder why....

As for this issue, I'm not sure how we should pursue it. Having SteveNick and Harry challenge the results, in my opinion, would be a bad idea. Right now I would say that we let the results of past elections stand and dedicate our time to Constitutional Convention. We obviously have some real problems that need fixing before the next election.

[Fritz]

Exactly how did StevenNick lose because of preferential voting?  Gabu won the final round tie because he had more first preference votes.  If we had straight first-past-the-post, vote for one candidate only elections, Gabu would have still won.

[Akno21]

Personally, we need to stop getting bogged down in technicalities. The bill passed. We are in fantasy elections, not the AG's office.

But this could mean a lot, plus StevenNick and Harry could request a revote since they lost because of the preferential voting system.

I was elected to the Senate due to Pref. Voting, I like it the way it is.

Funny. That same election is why I am so opposed to preferential voting. I wonder why....

Keystone, 63% of the voters strongly opposed you getting in the Senate. That's why you lost. You had more 4th Preference Votes (Or no vote) than everything else combined.

[Keystone Phil]

Personally, we need to stop getting bogged down in technicalities. The bill passed. We are in fantasy elections, not the AG's office.

But this could mean a lot, plus StevenNick and Harry could request a revote since they lost because of the preferential voting system.

I was elected to the Senate due to Pref. Voting, I like it the way it is.

Funny. That same election is why I am so opposed to preferential voting. I wonder why....

Keystone, 63% of the voters strongly opposed you getting in the Senate. That's why you lost. You had more 4th Preference Votes (Or no vote) than everything else combined.

Akno, did I not receive more votes to begin with? Direct popular vote for Senators, in my opinion, is the best way to go.

[Akno21]

Personally, we need to stop getting bogged down in technicalities. The bill passed. We are in fantasy elections, not the AG's office.

But this could mean a lot, plus StevenNick and Harry could request a revote since they lost because of the preferential voting system.

I was elected to the Senate due to Pref. Voting, I like it the way it is.

Funny. That same election is why I am so opposed to preferential voting. I wonder why....

Keystone, 63% of the voters strongly opposed you getting in the Senate. That's why you lost. You had more 4th Preference Votes (Or no vote) than everything else combined.

Akno, did I not receive more votes to begin with? Direct popular vote for Senators, in my opinion, is the best way to go.

Yes, you did, although if there hadn't been Preferntial Voting, I would have dropped out, and Nick would have gotten my first preferences, and thus gotten more than you.

[Fritz]

The issue King has raised was in fact brought up, debated, and settled at the time the bill was passed.  It was decided that the bill did not contradict the constitution in any way, and therefore did not need to be an amendment.

[Keystone Phil]

Personally, we need to stop getting bogged down in technicalities. The bill passed. We are in fantasy elections, not the AG's office.

But this could mean a lot, plus StevenNick and Harry could request a revote since they lost because of the preferential voting system.

I was elected to the Senate due to Pref. Voting, I like it the way it is.

Funny. That same election is why I am so opposed to preferential voting. I wonder why....

Keystone, 63% of the voters strongly opposed you getting in the Senate. That's why you lost. You had more 4th Preference Votes (Or no vote) than everything else combined.

Akno, did I not receive more votes to begin with? Direct popular vote for Senators, in my opinion, is the best way to go.

Yes, you did, although if there hadn't been Preferntial Voting, I would have dropped out, and Nick would have gotten my first preferences, and thus gotten more than you.

Ok well I don't play the "Well I would have done this..." game.

[King]

Gabu won the final round tie because he had more first preference votes.

That's what I don't like, if I could quote some parts of a message from WMS on this:

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[King]

The issue King has raised was in fact brought up, debated, and settled at the time the bill was passed.  It was decided that the bill did not contradict the constitution in any way, and therefore did not need to be an amendment.

It was not discussed in the original thread where the Preferential Voting Bill was debated and voted on. The only discussion was when NickG asked if it was an amendment or a bill and StevenNick said a bill. No Senator officially questioned whether it was vaild or not...

[Akno21]

Personally, we need to stop getting bogged down in technicalities. The bill passed. We are in fantasy elections, not the AG's office.

But this could mean a lot, plus StevenNick and Harry could request a revote since they lost because of the preferential voting system.

I was elected to the Senate due to Pref. Voting, I like it the way it is.

Funny. That same election is why I am so opposed to preferential voting. I wonder why....

Keystone, 63% of the voters strongly opposed you getting in the Senate. That's why you lost. You had more 4th Preference Votes (Or no vote) than everything else combined.

Akno, did I not receive more votes to begin with? Direct popular vote for Senators, in my opinion, is the best way to go.

Yes, you did, although if there hadn't been Preferntial Voting, I would have dropped out, and Nick would have gotten my first preferences, and thus gotten more than you.

Ok well I don't play the "Well I would have done this..." game.

It's not a game, it's realism. You seem to think you would have won using "American" voting, and while based on votes only, that is true, I was pointing out that when other factors are taken into consideration, you would not have won.

[Keystone Phil]

Personally, we need to stop getting bogged down in technicalities. The bill passed. We are in fantasy elections, not the AG's office.

But this could mean a lot, plus StevenNick and Harry could request a revote since they lost because of the preferential voting system.

I was elected to the Senate due to Pref. Voting, I like it the way it is.

Funny. That same election is why I am so opposed to preferential voting. I wonder why....

Keystone, 63% of the voters strongly opposed you getting in the Senate. That's why you lost. You had more 4th Preference Votes (Or no vote) than everything else combined.

Akno, did I not receive more votes to begin with? Direct popular vote for Senators, in my opinion, is the best way to go.

Yes, you did, although if there hadn't been Preferntial Voting, I would have dropped out, and Nick would have gotten my first preferences, and thus gotten more than you.

Ok well I don't play the "Well I would have done this..." game.

It's not a game, it's realism. You seem to think you would have won using "American" voting, and while based on votes only, that is true, I was pointing out that when other factors are taken into consideration, you would not have won.

Well that is the way I would prefer we vote, Akno - by votes only. I think this whole "Well if your first and second choice doesn't work out, you can always have the person you wanted third beat the current vote leader" idea is ridiculous. One voter, one vote.

My opinion won't change, your opinion probably won't change. We've debated this time and time again, Akno, and we're really just wasting our time. Let's just try to find a way to solve these electoral problems without saying "Back in July, I would have done this..." I honestly don't care. All I said was because of that election, I came out opposed to the system and because of that same election, you now have a favorable feeling towards the system. That's it.

[Akno21]

Personally, we need to stop getting bogged down in technicalities. The bill passed. We are in fantasy elections, not the AG's office.

But this could mean a lot, plus StevenNick and Harry could request a revote since they lost because of the preferential voting system.

I was elected to the Senate due to Pref. Voting, I like it the way it is.

Funny. That same election is why I am so opposed to preferential voting. I wonder why....

Keystone, 63% of the voters strongly opposed you getting in the Senate. That's why you lost. You had more 4th Preference Votes (Or no vote) than everything else combined.

Akno, did I not receive more votes to begin with? Direct popular vote for Senators, in my opinion, is the best way to go.

Yes, you did, although if there hadn't been Preferntial Voting, I would have dropped out, and Nick would have gotten my first preferences, and thus gotten more than you.

Ok well I don't play the "Well I would have done this..." game.

It's not a game, it's realism. You seem to think you would have won using "American" voting, and while based on votes only, that is true, I was pointing out that when other factors are taken into consideration, you would not have won.

Well that is the way I would prefer we vote, Akno - by votes only. I think this whole "Well if your first and second choice doesn't work out, you can always have the person you wanted third beat the current vote leader" idea is ridiculous. One voter, one vote.

My opinion won't change, your opinion probably won't change. We've debated this time and time again, Akno, and we're really just wasting our time. Let's just try to find a way to solve these electoral problems without saying "Back in July, I would have done this..." I honestly don't care. All I said was because of that election, I came out opposed to the system and because of that same election, you now have a favorable feeling towards the system. That's it.

Obviously you would prefer to consider it by votes only and not realism, you win that way.

Anyway, I agree, there's no use debating an election that happened almost half a year ago. Let's get back on topic.