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« on: April 15, 2015, 06:16:42 pm »
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Peacetime presidents are becoming rare. The last one was Carter, and he was almost 40 years ago. Is it possible for another peacetime president?

Of course, the last true peacetime president was Hoover, and that will never happen again.
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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2015, 06:26:05 pm »
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Carter's "peace" was based on continuing aid to brutal regimes, meaning he was funding war even if not actively participating.
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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2015, 06:38:56 pm »
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Carter's "peace" was based on continuing aid to brutal regimes, meaning he was funding war even if not actively participating.

Right, but he was still "better" than Reagan or Clinton. Sadly, we will never have a peacetime president.
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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2015, 10:20:41 pm »
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I guess no one wants to guess if a peacetime president will happen again, like Carter?
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2015, 10:40:20 pm »
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Typically speaking being a "peacetime President" isn't something you choose.
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2015, 04:42:23 am »
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Carter's "peace" was based on continuing aid to brutal regimes, meaning he was funding war even if not actively participating.

Right, but he was still "better" than Reagan or Clinton. Sadly, we will never have a peacetime president.

And possibly never had
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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2015, 08:00:41 am »
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Typically speaking being a "peacetime President" isn't something you choose.

Johnson could have chosen not to start the War in Vietnam.
Nixon could have left in a much more timely manner.
Reagan could have chosen not to invade Granada.
Bush the Elder could have chosen not to fight Iraq.
Bush the Younger could have chosen not to simply go after Al Qaeda, and nothing else.
Obama could have left Iraq and Afghanistan within his first year in office.
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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2015, 08:15:18 am »
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Typically speaking being a "peacetime President" isn't something you choose.


Reagan could have chosen not to invade Granada.


I had no idea the US invaded Spain!
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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2015, 09:48:58 am »
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Carter was president during the war on drugs.
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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2015, 10:34:57 am »
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Carter was president during the war on drugs.
I suppose that along that logic you can say that Calvin Coolidge was president during the war on Christmas.  Frankly I think that including the War on Drugs is nitpicking - considering how, if you do include it, the last peacetime president becomes Kennedy - but if you exclude him, Hoover.
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2015, 10:47:57 am »
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Hopefully not.
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2015, 11:38:28 am »
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Carter was president during the war on drugs.
I suppose that along that logic you can say that Calvin Coolidge was president during the war on Christmas.  Frankly I think that including the War on Drugs is nitpicking - considering how, if you do include it, the last peacetime president becomes Kennedy - but if you exclude him, Hoover.

Well does "peacetime" include any moment in a presidency or requires that the entire presidency be peaceful from start to finish? Because if it's the latter Kennedy doesn't count regardless (Bay of Pigs). There's also the fact that we had 16,000 personnel in Vietnam by the time he was killed.
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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2015, 12:55:10 pm »
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Johnson could have chosen not to start the War in Vietnam.
Nixon could have left in a much more timely manner.
Reagan could have chosen not to invade Granada.
Bush the Elder could have chosen not to fight Iraq.
Bush the Younger could have chosen not to simply go after Al Qaeda, and nothing else.
Obama could have left Iraq and Afghanistan within his first year in office.

None of this is that simple and you know it.
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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2015, 01:07:29 pm »
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Hmm...I felt that including Kennedy was somewhat dubious but i nonetheless included him because at the time it really felt like peacetime.  Nonetheless I see your point.
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« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2015, 01:11:49 pm »
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Highly unlikely.
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« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2015, 01:45:09 pm »
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Carter's "peace" was based on continuing aid to brutal regimes, meaning he was funding war even if not actively participating.

Carter's "peace," as you call it, was a period where not one bullet was fired, not one rocket launched by an American servicemen.  That overseas funding you're talking about went into the realpolitik strategy of ensuring peace in other nations.  Like it or not, democratic countries are more violent than their modern authoritarian counterparts.  With Carter we had more peace than with any modern neoliberal.
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Carter's "peace" was based on continuing aid to brutal regimes, meaning he was funding war even if not actively participating.

Right, but he was still "better" than Reagan or Clinton. Sadly, we will never have a peacetime president.

And possibly never had
No, there were several peacetime presidents:
John Adams
John Quincy Adams
Zachary Taylor
Millard Fillmore
Franklin Pierce
Andrew Johnson
The Gilded Age Presidents
Theodore Roosevelt
William Taft
Calvin Coolidge
Herbert Hoover
Jimmy Carter.
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