Polls on Same-Sex Marriage State Laws

[Holmes]

This isn't a debate thread about same-sex marriage, to be honest. I expect new polls whenever I see there's a new post, not stupid arguments against the issue.

[realisticidealist]

Montana: 37-51 against

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/12/montana-miscellaneous-poll.html

Doing slightly better in Montana than in Pennsylvania.

[greenforest32]

Montana: 37-51 against

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/12/montana-miscellaneous-poll.html

Damn look at the age cross-tab:

18-45 (I assume they meant 18-29): 69% legal, 24% illegal, 6% not sure
30-45: 40% legal, 49% illegal, 11% not sure
45-65: 34% legal, 52% illegal, 13% not sure
>65: 26% legal, 61% illegal, 13% not sure

It's only a matter of time Montana!

I want to see Idaho's numbers now

[Nutmeg]

Doing slightly better in Montana than in Pennsylvania.

Montana: 37-51 against

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/12/montana-miscellaneous-poll.html

Damn look at the age cross-tab:

18-45 (I assume they meant 18-29): 69% legal, 24% illegal, 6% not sure
30-45: 40% legal, 49% illegal, 11% not sure
45-65: 34% legal, 52% illegal, 13% not sure
>65: 26% legal, 61% illegal, 13% not sure

It's only a matter of time Montana!

I am starting to realize that the correlation between age and views on this issue is even stronger than partisan affiliation and views on this issue.  Can we say so with confidence, though?

[Holmes]

Maybe. I don't think 69% of Montanans <29 years old are Democratic, or Democratic-leaning.

[realisticidealist]

Maybe. I don't think 69% of Montanans <29 years old are Democratic, or Democratic-leaning.

Obama won 61% of them, so not quite.

[greenforest32]

North Carolina still hatin:

Do you think same-sex marriage should be legal or illegal?

Legal............................................................... 30%
Illegal .............................................................. 57%
Not sure .......................................................... 13%

Would you vote for or against a constitutional
amendment to provide that marriage between
one man and one woman is the only domestic
legal union that shall be valid or recognized in
this State? (Asked of 688 likely primary voters)

Would vote for it - 57%
Would vote against it - 32%
Not sure - 9%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_NC_12091118.pdf

[realisticidealist]

Colorado 47-43 in favor of gay marriage according to PPP.

[greenforest32]

New Colorado numbers are out:

Do you think same-sex marriage should be legal or illegal?

Legal............................................................... 47%
Illegal .............................................................. 43%
Not sure .......................................................... 10%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_CO_12091205.pdf

An improvement compared to 45% legal, 45% illegal, 10% not sure from August 2011.

That's a big shift for 4 months.

[Nutmeg]

That's a big shift for 4 months.

Not really; the margin of error is +/-3.5%.

[greenforest32]

That's a big shift for 4 months.

Not really; the margin of error is +/-3.5%.

We really need more polls to accurately see the trend. I'd love to see polls for each state every 6 months on a variety of issues. Before PPP got involved we had even less.

[Tender Branson]

(CO & NC)

[greenforest32]

New New Mexico numbers are out:

Do you think same-sex marriage should be legal or illegal?

Legal............................................................... 45%
Illegal .............................................................. 43%
Not sure .......................................................... 12%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_NM_1219424.pdf

Last NM results from June 2011: 42% legal, 48% illegal, 10% not sure.

[milhouse24]

I doubt marriage was ever intended for the protection of women, given that women were expected to summit to their husbands, and if/when they chose careers, they were taken less seriously than men.

This brings back to my issue and focus on child support and child care.  Marriage was one of the effective legal methods to compel a husband to stay with a woman and their children.
For instance, how is a pregnant woman supposed to work full time?  In the US, women are given at least 6 months of paid maternity leave, but is 6 months of wages enough for a single mom? 

Are you familiar with the term Bastard Children?  Which means that they are fatherless children. 

Its unfortunate, but there are men and fathers who run away from their families and their responsibilities to provide and care for their biological children. 

Instead of focusing on marriage licenses to gay couples, the marriage rate will still decline and in the next decade there will be far less married people, the government should focus on improving child support to bastard children. 

Serious question: Have you ever met an adult human female?

Feminists can in theory take care of themselves as single mothers, right?

Parse error, I think you're trying to subtly imply that my revulsion at your understanding of gender relations entails a rejection of the idea that marriages should be stable and are the best environment for raising children (which, by the way, is part of why the institution should be extended to gay couples, who are going to be raising children regardless), but I'm not certain.

I'm just anti-marriage for anyone and everyone.  Men and women and men can co-habitate and raise children together.  Men can adopt non-biological children and have parental rights and guardianship rights.  But the way I look at it, it can be very easy to scam the system to get benefits.  For instance, I would marry a gay millionaire who is very old, just so I could get half his property and inheritance upon his death or divorce. 

As a man, the only way I am going to decide to financially support a wife and children if I know for sure the child is my biological child, and it will take a court-order for government to force me to marry the woman or pay child support. 

An yes, married men pay child support in the form of giving up half their property rights and savings account to feed, house, and clothe his wife and child. 

So, I do support gay marriage, even though I think it is completely stupid and illogical for gay men or anyone else to get married when they are not being forced by the government to financially support their biological children.  I'm also against anal intercourse because I think its dangerous, unhealthy, unlubricated, and spreads stds.

[Holmes]

Political Debate is 5 boards down. Please utilize it.

New Mexico numbers look better than I thought. 45 is probably the ceiling at the moment, though.

[CaDan]

Those NM numbers from Putrid Propaganda Polling only were achieved after PPP deliberately stacked the poll to get the numbers that they wanted.

Of course, the lefties here don't care about that reality.

[CultureKing]

Those NM numbers from Putrid Propaganda Polling only were achieved after PPP deliberately stacked the poll to get the numbers that they wanted.

Of course, the lefties here don't care about that reality.

Agreed, there must be a conspiracy.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Those NM numbers from Putrid Propaganda Polling only were achieved after PPP deliberately stacked the poll to get the numbers that they wanted.

Of course, the lefties here don't care about that reality.

Agreed, there must be a conspiracy.

Not a conspiracy, just PPP producing numbers its clients like:

Well, let’s compare the PPP numbers for New Mexico with those from other sources.
PPP asserts that 30% of their respondents are liberals, 30% Moderates and 39% conservatives (Q. 16) 

Here’s what Edison (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/) had to say on voter Ideology in New Mexico in 2008:

Liberal               22%
Moderate          44
Conservative    34

According to Gallup (http://www.gallup.com/poll/125066/State-States.aspx) the breakdown is:

Liberal             21.0%
Moderate        34.3
Conservative  41.2

Here’s the ratio of conservatives to liberals according to the three polls:

PPP                  1.3
Edison             1.5
Gallup              2.0

[CARLHAYDEN]

Oh, and let’s  look at some national polls the PPP does for the Daily Kos and SEIU, and their idea of the partisan breakout:

Some PPP polls showing Democrats with a nine point advantage (or more) over Republicans this year include:

10/27-30/11
7/21-24/11
5/12-15/11
5/5-8/11
4/7-10/11

The largest Democrat advantage in recent years (going back to 2004) was 7 points in 2008 (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#val=USP00p1) and zero points in 2010 (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#val=USP00p1)

[asexual trans victimologist]

Whatever makes you sleep at night.

Although I recommend learning how to lucid dream so you can have a baku come and eat the gay Mexican night terrors. I think we'd all be happier that way, including you.

[Nutmeg]

Here’s the ratio of conservatives to liberals according to the three polls:

PPP                  1.3
Edison             1.5
Gallup              2.0

Given these three data points, it looks like Gallup, not PPP, is the outlier.

[Tender Branson]

Gallup also compiles their state data over the course of 1 friggin year.

I wouldn't trust a polling company that collects data by interviewing 1 person from NM each day.

[milhouse24]

Whatever makes you sleep at night.

Although I recommend learning how to lucid dream so you can have a baku come and eat the gay Mexican night terrors. I think we'd all be happier that way, including you.

If you want to support Anal intercourse, then that is your decision.  Ask any woman on the street if they enjoy anal intercourse.  You may think its normal and safe to have anal intercourse but there are some things that the human body can't handle. 

Another important thing that you seem to be forgetting is that it is harder to validate and confirm that a gay marriage is legit.  Scammers will use gay marriage to get whatever they can get from the government including green cards. 

Usually, a marriage clerk can determine if a marriage is legitimate if the woman ends up pregnant with the man's child.  That's why women want to be married, because they need a man to help them support a child.  Now, if there is a childless straight couple, government officials will wonder if this is a real marriage or a fake marriage for money or whatever.  Its justifiable for men to get divorced or annulled based on fraud.

Do we really need to be wasting govt dollars in determining whether gay couples are legit or fraudulent?

[Hatman]

rofl. Are you for real?

[Link]

If you want to support Anal intercourse, then that is your decision.  Ask any woman on the street if they enjoy anal intercourse.  You may think its normal and safe to have anal intercourse but there are some things that the human body can't handle. 

Ahhh... I love reminiscing about the halcyon days of my youth.  Despite my rants about the adolescents that populate this forum I do actually enjoy experiencing the quaint naivete from time to time.  FYI young buck the way I roll its the women I've dated that have requested anal intercourse.  And yes some of them were very far right wing.  Once you put away the porn and get out into the real world you are going to get eaten alive.  To this day every time I meet a new woman I have no idea what to expect.  It's wild.

When your dad is hitting the Schlitz at the dinner table and regurgitating what Rush Limbaugh told him to say it's okay to put him on ignore every once in awhile.