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« Reply #1050 on: October 06, 2014, 04:27:44 PM »

Assuming no shenanigans, next week 11 more states will be white. (How do you get a white color?)

Here is an example:

CA=4;55;1

"4" is yellow, and "1" gives a white color. I use "4" so that electoral votes can show up (for some other maps) because numbers show up as black on a state coded in yellow.   
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« Reply #1051 on: October 06, 2014, 04:45:23 PM »
« Edited: October 06, 2014, 05:22:48 PM by pbrower2a »

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/07/us/denying-review-justices-clear-way-for-gay-marriage-in-5-states.html?_r=0

THERE IS NO APPEAL BEYOND THE US SUPREME COURT. Not the President. Not Congress. Not the UN. Not the Pope. Not even God Almighty.


History moved at glacial speed for a couple months, and one-tenth of all states are compelled to accept SSM with one decision.

Recent YouGov map with appropriate modifications as of 4PM EST, 6 October 2014:



White -- SSM equality by law.
Yellow -- toss-up

I hereby abandon my earlier approval/disapproval/legality map and will make no further changes upon it.

States in white (and DC) already have legalized same-sex marriages. Other states are coded by district in those in which SSM was not permanently legalized as of 4PM EST on 6 October 2014:







Status of SSM in Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands, American Samoa, Guam, or the Northern Marianas not shown.

4th circuit*
5th circuit
6th circuit*
8th circuit
9th circuit*
10th circuit*
11th circuit

*Next appeal, US Supreme court.

Colors have no political significance.

DC and all states within the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd circuit courts have legalized SSM.
Yellow -- toss-up.

Any district in which SSM is legalized by a decision of the US Supreme Court will go white.



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« Reply #1052 on: October 06, 2014, 10:42:00 PM »
« Edited: October 07, 2014, 07:43:31 AM by pbrower2a »

Here are the numbers:

Compiled results are listed below. The headers for each column are: State/ Support Legalising Gay Marriage/ Oppose Legalising Gay Marriage/ Net Support.

MA    71    19    +52
VT    71    20    +51
RI    68    20    +48
NH    63    24    +39
CT    61    26    +35
NY    61    27    +34
HI    59    26    +33
CA    58    31    +27
ME    63    37    +26
NM    57    32    +25
WA    57    32    +25

NV    55    31    +24
DE    54    31    +23
NJ    54    32    +22
OR    56    35    +21
IA    53    33    +20
IL    53    33    +20

CO    54    35    +19
MN    52    34    +18
AK    50    36    +14
WI    51    37    +14
MD    48    36    +12
PA    49    38    +11

ND    48    39    +9
MI    47    39    +8
AZ    47    40    +7
VA    47    40    +7
FL    46    40    +6
OH    45    40    +5
MT    45    41    +4
KS    44    41    +3
SD    43    43    0
IN    43    45    -2
NC    42    46    -4
MO    41    47    -6
NE    40    46    -6
LA    39    46    -7
WV    39    48    -9
GA    37    47    -10
SC    37    47    -10
KY    38    50    -12
TX    37    50    -13
OK    37    51    -14
WY    33    50    -17
ID    33    51    -18
AR    32    54    -22
UT    34    56    -22
MS    29    56    -27
TN    29    58    -29
AL    28    60    -32

US    48    39    +9



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« Reply #1053 on: October 07, 2014, 01:32:08 AM »
« Edited: October 07, 2014, 01:36:41 AM by eric82oslo »

How come people in New Hampshire are so much more pro gay marriage than in Maine? (Seems like Rick Santorum won't do very well in NH this time around btw.)

And 40% difference between California and Texas. That's a lot.

Also lol at Utah showing Nevada the way. Wink

Who would have thought that North Dakota would be the most average state on this issue. Smiley

Yey to Sarah Palin's Alaska being 5% more pro than the national average! Cheesy
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« Reply #1054 on: October 07, 2014, 09:24:16 AM »

We should focus on targeting the states at the bottom of the list, just to twist the knife a little Smiley
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« Reply #1055 on: October 07, 2014, 03:28:21 PM »
« Edited: October 07, 2014, 06:43:15 PM by Long titles annoy me »

Update Map for Idaho and Nevada, which just happened.

Let's look at this by Census Regions:

Northeast: All states
Midwest: 5 (6 if no shenanigans in Kansas)/12
South: 4 (7 if no shenanigans in West Virginia or the Carolinas)/15
West: 9/13

By Divisions:

New England: All States
Mid-Atlantic: All States
South Atlantic: 3-6/8 states
East North Central: 3/5
East South Central: None
West North Central 2-3/7
Mountain: 5/8
Pacific: 4/5 (Only Alaska is needed)

Remember, Maryland and Delaware are part of the South according to the Census
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« Reply #1056 on: October 07, 2014, 04:17:41 PM »

Colorado has also legalized as of today.
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« Reply #1057 on: October 07, 2014, 04:36:46 PM »

As I recall, the states of Indiana and Wisconsin had their anti-SSM laws ripped to pieces with the Seventh federal circuit court treating the arguments for SSM bans as practically void, comparing them to anti-miscegenation acts invalid since Loving v. Virginia. All that was left was an appeal used entirely as a delaying tactic.      
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« Reply #1058 on: October 07, 2014, 06:54:09 PM »
« Edited: October 07, 2014, 07:58:48 PM by 27/32 down, 23/28 to go »

Here are the 10 of the remaining states with the most people:

1. Texas is the most populated state without SSM, and 2nd overall
2. Florida (4th overall)
3. Ohio (7th Overall)
4. Georgia (8th Overall)
5. Michigan (9th Overall)
6. North Carolina* (10th Overal)
7. Arizona (16th Overall)
8. Tennessee (17th Overall)
9. Missouri (18th Overall)
10. Alabama (23rd Overall)

*Court ruling not entirely in effect. If this is excluded, Louisiana is #10 (25th Overall).
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« Reply #1059 on: October 08, 2014, 10:40:30 AM »

Nevada and Idaho were removed from the club.
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« Reply #1060 on: October 08, 2014, 02:01:08 PM »

We should focus on targeting the states at the bottom of the list, just to twist the knife a little Smiley

Idaho is sixth from the bottom.

Dislike same-sex marriage? Then don't have one!

Wait, what?

I'm saying we should focus on making gay marriage legal in states that hate it the most first, just to ruin SoCons' lives and bask in the irony (like when it was legalized in Utah in January).

Did you think I was against gay marriage? Because I'm gay, and support it.

That's OK.  I have no way of determining whether someone is straight or gay in print unless someone self-identifies  or says something blatant -- either exposing details of personal life or some pathetic denial, as if I care, anyway . Can you easily identify who is... black... from what he posts?

I think that we can all recognize the callousness, exploitation, cruelty, and danger that go with homophobia. It's not only gay-bashing of the thug (which I have encountered, and I responded with the only reasonable defense at the time -- running or driving away); it is also the intra-family abuse that arises when parents cast off a gay son or lesbian daughter. A few years ago I found that of males under the age of eighteen who commit suicide, a third are gay. Family rejection stings hard.

We are beginning to recognize the vapidness of arguments are against same-sex marriage.

... As for Utah -- the Mormons are a conservative lot, but they can bend to social change. If you remember the ad campaign of the LDS Church (basically, "I live an interesting life, and I come from an unlikely background -- and I am a Mormon")...   some campaign could soon follow:

I live an interesting life, I am gay/lesbian, and I am a Mormon.  
 

    
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« Reply #1061 on: October 08, 2014, 03:12:30 PM »

Nevada has already been let back in, and Idaho should be joining it shortly.
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« Reply #1062 on: October 08, 2014, 04:26:17 PM »
« Edited: October 09, 2014, 09:42:50 AM by pbrower2a »

Idaho and Nevada reverts for now.

Recent YouGov map with appropriate modifications as of 5PM EST, 8 October 2014:



White -- SSM equality by law.
Yellow -- toss-up

I hereby abandon my earlier approval/disapproval/legality map and will make no further changes upon it.

States in white (and DC) already have legalized same-sex marriages. Other states are coded by district in those in which SSM was not permanently legalized as of 4PM EST on 6 October 2014:







Status of SSM in Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands, American Samoa, Guam, or the Northern Marianas not shown.

4th circuit*
5th circuit
6th circuit*
8th circuit
9th circuit*
10th circuit*
11th circuit

*Next appeal, US Supreme court.

Colors have no political significance.

DC and all states within the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd circuit courts have legalized SSM.
Yellow -- toss-up.

Any district in which SSM is legalized by a decision of the US Supreme Court will go white.




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« Reply #1063 on: October 08, 2014, 04:29:49 PM »
« Edited: October 09, 2014, 09:40:29 AM by pbrower2a »

Here are the numbers:

Compiled results are listed below. The headers for each column are: State/ Support Legalising Gay Marriage/ Oppose Legalising Gay Marriage/ Net Support.

MA    71    19    +52
VT    71    20    +51
RI    68    20    +48
NH    63    24    +39
CT    61    26    +35
NY    61    27    +34
HI    59    26    +33
CA    58    31    +27
ME    63    37    +26
NM    57    32    +25
WA    57    32    +25
NV    55    31    +24
DE    54    31    +23
NJ    54    32    +22
OR    56    35    +21
IA    53    33    +20
IL    53    33    +20
CO    54    35    +19
MN    52    34    +18

AK    50    36    +14
WI    51    37    +14
MD    48    36    +12
PA    49    38    +11

ND    48    39    +9
MI    47    39    +8
AZ    47    40    +7
VA    47    40    +7
FL    46    40    +6
OH    45    40    +5
MT    45    41    +4
KS    44    41    +3
SD    43    43    0
IN    43    45    -2
NC    42    46    -4
MO    41    47    -6
NE    40    46    -6
LA    39    46    -7
WV    39    48    -9
GA    37    47    -10
SC    37    47    -10
KY    38    50    -12
TX    37    50    -13
OK    37    51    -14
WY    33    50    -17
ID    33    51    -18
AR    32    54    -22
UT    34    56    -22
MS    29    56    -27
TN    29    58    -29
AL    28    60    -32

US    48    39    +9



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« Reply #1064 on: October 08, 2014, 04:44:13 PM »

Some county judges in Kansas, North Carolina, and South Carolina have allowed applications for SSM -- but such can still be stopped by higher authorities in the States. If it applies to one county but not to all by law, then the state in question is not considered 'permissive'.

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« Reply #1065 on: October 08, 2014, 09:46:28 PM »

From what I have read, same-sex marriage will most likely start tomorrow in NC.
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« Reply #1066 on: October 09, 2014, 12:17:34 AM »
« Edited: October 09, 2014, 12:19:05 AM by More than halfway there! »

Interesting that Alaska is where it's most popular but not legal. Being the only East Coast state without it, Alaskans may be feeling left out.

What makes it more surprising is that in the only Kerry state without it, Michigan, it's less popular.
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« Reply #1067 on: October 09, 2014, 01:07:54 PM »
« Edited: October 09, 2014, 01:54:59 PM by pbrower2a »

West Virginia: the state's attorney-general gives in.

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Recent YouGov map with appropriate modifications as of 2PM EST, 9 October 2014:



White -- SSM equality by law.
Yellow -- toss-up

 

States in white (and DC) already have legalized same-sex marriages. Other states are coded by district in those in which SSM was not permanently legalized as of 2 PM EST on 9 October 2014:







Status of SSM in Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands, American Samoa, Guam, or the Northern Marianas not shown.

4th circuit*
5th circuit
6th circuit*
8th circuit
9th circuit*
10th circuit*
11th circuit

*Next appeal, US Supreme court.

Colors have no political significance.

DC and all states within the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 7th appellate districts have legalized SSM.


Here are the numbers:

Compiled results are listed below. The headers for each column are: State/ Support Legalising Gay Marriage/ Oppose Legalising Gay Marriage/ Net Support.

MA    71    19    +52
VT    71    20    +51
RI    68    20    +48
NH    63    24    +39
CT    61    26    +35
NY    61    27    +34
HI    59    26    +33
CA    58    31    +27
ME    63    37    +26
NM    57    32    +25
WA    57    32    +25
NV    55    31    +24
DE    54    31    +23
NJ    54    32    +22
OR    56    35    +21
IA    53    33    +20
IL    53    33    +20
CO    54    35    +19
MN    52    34    +18

AK    50    36    +14
WI    51    37    +14
MD    48    36    +12
PA    49    38    +11

ND    48    39    +9
MI    47    39    +8
AZ    47    40    +7
VA    47    40    +7
FL    46    40    +6
OH    45    40    +5
MT    45    41    +4
KS    44    41    +3
SD    43    43    0
IN    43    45    -2
NC    42    46    -4
MO    41    47    -6
NE    40    46    -6
LA    39    46    -7
WV    39    48    -9
GA    37    47    -10
SC    37    47    -10
KY    38    50    -12
TX    37    50    -13
OK    37    51    -14
WY    33    50    -17
ID    33    51    -18
AR    32    54    -22
UT    34    56    -22
MS    29    56    -27
TN    29    58    -29
AL    28    60    -32

US    48    39    +9



state in which SSM equality is in effect
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« Reply #1068 on: October 09, 2014, 03:52:46 PM »

West Virginia: the state's attorney-general gives in.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/09/west-virginia-gay-marriage_n_5960096.html?utm_hp_ref=gay-marriage

Recent YouGov map with appropriate modifications as of 2PM EST, 9 October 2014:



White -- SSM equality by law.
Yellow -- toss-up

 

States in white (and DC) already have legalized same-sex marriages. Other states are coded by district in those in which SSM was not permanently legalized as of 2 PM EST on 9 October 2014:







Status of SSM in Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands, American Samoa, Guam, or the Northern Marianas not shown.

4th circuit*
5th circuit
6th circuit*
8th circuit
9th circuit*
10th circuit*
11th circuit

*Next appeal, US Supreme court.

Colors have no political significance.

DC and all states within the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 7th appellate districts have legalized SSM.


Here are the numbers:

Compiled results are listed below. The headers for each column are: State/ Support Legalising Gay Marriage/ Oppose Legalising Gay Marriage/ Net Support.

MA    71    19    +52
VT    71    20    +51
RI    68    20    +48
NH    63    24    +39
CT    61    26    +35
NY    61    27    +34
HI    59    26    +33
CA    58    31    +27
ME    63    37    +26
NM    57    32    +25
WA    57    32    +25
NV    55    31    +24
DE    54    31    +23
NJ    54    32    +22
OR    56    35    +21
IA    53    33    +20
IL    53    33    +20
CO    54    35    +19
MN    52    34    +18

AK    50    36    +14
WI    51    37    +14
MD    48    36    +12
PA    49    38    +11

ND    48    39    +9
MI    47    39    +8
AZ    47    40    +7
VA    47    40    +7
FL    46    40    +6
OH    45    40    +5
MT    45    41    +4
KS    44    41    +3
SD    43    43    0
IN    43    45    -2
NC    42    46    -4
MO    41    47    -6
NE    40    46    -6
LA    39    46    -7
WV    39    48    -9
GA    37    47    -10
SC    37    47    -10
KY    38    50    -12
TX    37    50    -13
OK    37    51    -14
WY    33    50    -17
ID    33    51    -18
AR    32    54    -22
UT    34    56    -22
MS    29    56    -27
TN    29    58    -29
AL    28    60    -32

US    48    39    +9



state in which SSM equality is in effect

NC should also be in white because AG Copper and Gov. McCrory have said they will not fight against same-sex marriage.
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« Reply #1069 on: October 10, 2014, 05:15:21 PM »

NC should also be in white because AG Copper and Gov. McCrory have said they will not fight against same-sex marriage.

Once definitive.  It is now:

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Likewise, Idaho.

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Recent YouGov map with appropriate modifications as of 6PM EST, 10 October 2014:



White -- SSM equality by law.
Yellow -- toss-up

 

States in white (and DC) already have legalized same-sex marriages. Other states are coded by district in those in which SSM was not permanently legalized as of 2 PM EST on 9 October 2014:







Status of SSM in Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands, American Samoa, Guam, or the Northern Marianas not shown.

4th circuit*
5th circuit
6th circuit*
8th circuit
9th circuit*
10th circuit*
11th circuit

*Next appeal, US Supreme court.

Colors have no political significance.

DC and all states within the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 7th appellate districts have legalized SSM.


Here are the numbers:

Compiled results are listed below. The headers for each column are: State/ Support Legalising Gay Marriage/ Oppose Legalising Gay Marriage/ Net Support.

MA    71    19    +52
VT    71    20    +51
RI    68    20    +48
NH    63    24    +39
CT    61    26    +35
NY    61    27    +34
HI    59    26    +33
CA    58    31    +27
ME    63    37    +26
NM    57    32    +25
WA    57    32    +25
NV    55    31    +24
DE    54    31    +23
NJ    54    32    +22
OR    56    35    +21
IA    53    33    +20
IL    53    33    +20
CO    54    35    +19
MN    52    34    +18

AK    50    36    +14
WI    51    37    +14
MD    48    36    +12
PA    49    38    +11

ND    48    39    +9
MI    47    39    +8
AZ    47    40    +7
VA    47    40    +7
FL    46    40    +6
OH    45    40    +5
MT    45    41    +4
KS    44    41    +3
SD    43    43    0
IN    43    45    -2
NC    42    46    -4

MO    41    47    -6
NE    40    46    -6
LA    39    46    -7
WV    39    48    -9
GA    37    47    -10
SC    37    47    -10
KY    38    50    -12
TX    37    50    -13
OK    37    51    -14
WY    33    50    -17
ID    33    51    -18
AR    32    54    -22
UT    34    56    -22
MS    29    56    -27
TN    29    58    -29
AL    28    60    -32

US    48    39    +9



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« Reply #1070 on: October 10, 2014, 05:25:28 PM »

One week, and ten dominoes. We get to see the judicial process work. History is happening in America, and it could overshadow a hotly-contested election.

This is remarkable, indeed. 
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« Reply #1071 on: October 10, 2014, 06:12:14 PM »
« Edited: October 12, 2014, 08:07:31 PM by More than halfway there! »

Now I'll go ahead and do the Census regions:

Regions:
Northwest: 0 states remaining
Midwest: 7 states remaining
South: 10 states remaining
West: 3 states remaining.

Divisions:
New England: No states remaining
Middle Atlantic: No states remaining
South Atlantic: 3 states remaining (SC, GA, and FL)
East North Central: 2 states remaining (MI, OH)
East South Central: All states remaining (KY, TN, MS, AL)
West North Central: 5 states remaining (ND, SD, NE, KS, MO)
West South Central: 3 states remaining (TX, AR, LA)
Mountain: 3 states remaining: (WY, MT, AZ)
Pacific: No states remaining
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« Reply #1072 on: October 13, 2014, 09:10:46 AM »

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/13/catholic-church-gays-_n_5976134.html?utm_hp_ref=gay-voices&ir=Gay%20Voices

My comment on Huffington Post:

(Is the Papacy) less advanced than secular and humanist ethics on homosexuality? Of course. It's relevant because of all the Catholics who do not yet accept secular and humanist ethics unless the Pope says that such is acceptable.

Maybe there is an ulterior motive -- like ensuring that there be more married Catholic couples capable of adopting children and raising them as Catholics, which might lead to a reduction in abortion. As a secular humanist I would easily make that concession to the Catholic Church. Accept SSM, but recognize that such implies more Catholic households (because of acceptance of SSM) and perhaps a reduction in abortions? That is a win-win proposition for me.

Secular humanists have gone as far as they can in getting people to accept gay and lesbian rights because there aren't that many secular humanists who remain unconvinced on homosexual rights. If we get an ally in the Pope -- wonderful. Many pay attention to what the Pope says on ethical issues. If devout, non-secular Catholics can accept same-sex marriage, then one political excuse for opposing SSM dies. Some states with large Catholic populations (Arizona, Florida, Louisiana, Michigan, Ohio, and Texas) still have statutory bans on SSM.

PS: I am using my late mother's Facebook account due to the difficulty of changing identities on Facebook. She has yet to complain.
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« Reply #1073 on: October 14, 2014, 02:23:01 PM »

PPP - ID

Same Sex Marriage?

No - 57%
Yes - 38%

Opinion on recognition?

Full Marriage - 39%
Civil Unions - 30%
No legal recognition - 29%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2014/PPP_Release_ID_1014925.pdf

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« Reply #1074 on: October 15, 2014, 05:39:52 AM »

PPP - ID

Same Sex Marriage?

No - 57%
Yes - 38%

Opinion on recognition?

Full Marriage - 39%
Civil Unions - 30%
No legal recognition - 29%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2014/PPP_Release_ID_1014925.pdf



It's nice to see that the 'no' side is a lot more flexible than the 'yes' side...
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