SENATE BILL: Empowering Regions in Elections Amendment (Failed)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I don't have a problem with regions running their own senate elections. I always wondered why we voted for our regional senators in a federal election voting booth anyway. Either I'm being short sighted, or I fail to see how things are complicated by this bill. Then again, I have faith in most regional governments that they are not corrupt enough to fudge election results. I also do not understand how they could fudge such numbers. Anyone care to explain?

If a region were to adopt a secret ballot, then we might have a problem with that.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Is there a way we can limit regions from doing that? Or if we turn the power over to them to run their own elections, we cannot have any strings attached? I agree we can't allow them to adopt a secret ballot because their results will always be scrutinized. I've always wondered what Atlasian elections would be like if votes weren't public, but it's impossible to do on a site like this.

If this is to pass, we probably are gonna need to limit regions from doing that and probably some other things too.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Tactical decision: Is the glass half full or half empty?

Do we say what can be done or what can't be done.

I think the latter is better:

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

sounds good

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Couldn't resist.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

 A made a few minor clarifications to the text of my amendment to improve clarity. The substance hasn't changed, though.

1. A region's governing body shall have the authority to determine procedure for administration of voting and certification of election results for their own Class A Senate elections in the months of February, June, and October.  A region's governing body shall have the authority to administer voting and certification of election results for Presidential elections consistent with federal election law in the months of February, June, and October.
 
2. A region's governing body may determine the means of election to Class A Senate election.

3. To ensure a fair process of election, any alternative system of voting chosen by the region's governing body for Class A Senate elections must be conducted in public and may not disqualify any candidate meeting the qualifications set in the Constitution.

4. If a region fails to open a vote for their Senator and President within 12 hours of when polls must open, a Federal Officer of the Executive Branch shall open the vote on behalf of the region.

Are you just putting this out there for discussion or are you offering it as an amendment?

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I think considering the issues in the Southeast - one of the standards that needs to be explicit in any amendment like this is to ensure a uniform public or private voting system.

What happened in the Southeastern? My amendment says in public.

I believe - the Senators from the SE might be able to enlighten us on this - I heard something about an amendment to allow the SE to hold secret ballots at the regional level?

The only amendment I know of is the one I offered two days ago in this thread, TO BAN SECRET BALLOTS. What are you talking about?

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Senators, a vote is now ope on the above amendment, please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

There isn't a worse time to have a Session Time-out, then while voting. And I am logged in indefinately.


Aye for the second time.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I think considering the issues in the Southeast - one of the standards that needs to be explicit in any amendment like this is to ensure a uniform public or private voting system.

What happened in the Southeastern? My amendment says in public.

I believe - the Senators from the SE might be able to enlighten us on this - I heard something about an amendment to allow the SE to hold secret ballots at the regional level?

The only amendment I know of is the one I offered two days ago in this thread, TO BAN SECRET BALLOTS. What are you talking about?

At least I didn't imagine it... I can't keep an eye on everything

You had your eye on it long enough to see "secret ballot", but not the words "May not employ" earlier in the sentence?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I think considering the issues in the Southeast - one of the standards that needs to be explicit in any amendment like this is to ensure a uniform public or private voting system.

What happened in the Southeastern? My amendment says in public.

I believe - the Senators from the SE might be able to enlighten us on this - I heard something about an amendment to allow the SE to hold secret ballots at the regional level?

The only amendment I know of is the one I offered two days ago in this thread, TO BAN SECRET BALLOTS. What are you talking about?

At least I didn't imagine it... I can't keep an eye on everything

You had your eye on it long enough to see "secret ballot", but not the words "May not employ" earlier in the sentence?

I didn't read it, it came up in discussion...

What "issues" were you refering to then in the SE? That is what you iniated the discussion with.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on passage of Amendment 44:31:

Aye (6): AHDuke99, Antonio V, bgwah, Jbrase, NC Yankee, and shua
Nay (1): Napoleon
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (3): Fuzzybigfoot, officepark, and Snowguy716.

The amendment is passed and regular debate resumes.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

A vote on the next amendment will be held starting tomorrow morning. I don't want to hold them this close together or people won't realize it is a new amendment.

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Status: Senators, a vote is now open on this amendment, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Nay

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Current Status:

Aye (2): Napoleon and Snowguy 
Nay (3): Jbrase, NC Yankee and shua
Abstain (4): AHDuke99, Antonio V, bgwah and Fuzzybigfoot

Didn't (1): Officepark 

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This ends tomorrow morning.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Amendment 44:32:

Aye (2): Napoleon and Snowguy 
Nay (3): Jbrase, NC Yankee and shua
Abstain (4): AHDuke99, Antonio V, bgwah and Fuzzybigfoot

Didn't (1): Officepark 

With three Nays, two ayes and 4 abstentions at the expiration of time (10:49 am), the amendment has failed and debate shall proceed.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Is there anything more here, or is it final vote time?

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Are there any other restrictions that should be put into clause 3? I was weighing requiring a referendum on any changes to the election method, but now I am thinking more that the regions should choose the process of how they allow their election system to be change.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Talking to yourself is fun, I guess.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I just PMed BK about this and other matters. If he wants me too, then I can open a vote here. Otherwise it is up to him to do it with the new senate having began at noon.

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With no debate in a really long time and final vote having been called, this bill is now at final Vote, please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.