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GeorgiaSenator
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« on: August 13, 2011, 08:46:54 PM »

Hello Old Timers.. Were you around in 1968 or think you know about that Presidential election.  If so now is your chance to share your opinion on the men who ran for office.

Supreme                   99-100
Excellent                 90-98
Very Good   80-89
Good                   73-79
Average                   68-72
Avg to Fair   50-67
Fair                   30-49
Poor                   11-29
Very Poor                    1-10

On a scale of 1 to 100 rate these candidates on the following qualities
Richard Nixon
Hubert Humphrey
George Wallace

Spiro Agnew
Hubert Humphrey
Curtis LeMay

Rate them on:
Fund Raising Ability   
Media Support   
Grassroots Support   
Convention Support   
Debating Ability   
Zingers on the Stump   
Blunders on the Stump   

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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2011, 09:12:54 PM »

Only GE candidates? OK...

Nixon

FRA: 100
MS: 34
GS: 93
CS: 75 (barely squeaked by on 1st ballot)
DA: 94 (N/A, no GOP or GE debates in '68)
ZS: 86
BS:

HHH

FRA: 14
MS: 65 (media favored him over RFK in the primaries, balanced in the GE)
GS: 40
CS: 91
DA: 72
ZS: 82
BS: 43


Wallace

FRA: 7
MS: 4
GS: 32
CS: NA
DA: NA
ZS: 77
BS: 12
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2011, 09:20:14 PM »

Hubert Humphrey - 100 (Tongue Duh, what'd you think I was gonna say?)
Richard Nixon - 40
George Wallace - 15

Of course I dunno how you wanted me to judge them, so I just did it through personal biases.

Spiro Agnew - 25
Edmund Muskie - 80
Curtis LeMay - Less than Wallace

Fundraising:

HHH - Humphrey was chronically short of money and he never attracted big donors. He rates low on fundraising ability.

Nixon - Had a fine war chest and certainly pulled in the big bucks.

Wallace - Not sure how well he really could've done. He had to have less money than either HHH or Nixon.


Media Support:

Humphrey - Humphrey certainly could schmooze the media fairly well, but due to Democratic unpopularity, most media sources lined up Republican.

Nixon - Stronger than at any other time in his career.

Wallace - Hated and despised outside southern media.


Grassroots:

Humphrey - Couldn't get any of it going until the end of the bombing.

Nixon - Stronger, but mostly due to dissatisfaction with Johnson.

Wallace - His grassroots support had to be the strongest. He was a grassroots campaigner and it was something Wallace excelled at.


Convention Support:

Humphrey - Almost none

Nixon - I suppose fair.

Wallace - NA... Much less after LeMay announcement.


Debating Ability:

Humphrey - Strong debater, but talkative and could frequently have gone over time.

Nixon - A weak point. Markedly refused to debate Humphrey after his 1960 debacle.

Wallace - Probably would have done well if he could keep his anger down.


Zingers:

Humphrey - He could be very good at this. "But not Senator Goldwater" in '64 and remember "Richard the Chicken-hearted" for refusing to debate now and never forget the commercial of the laughter at Agnew.

Nixon - Never really brought them out. He conducted a "safe" campaign. Nixon never really ever broke zingers out to begin with.

Wallace - I recall he had a few with hecklers, especially hippies.


Blunders:

Humphrey - He had a tough time at the start with this. In the beginning he'd either be too shrill or to ebullient. It took him awhile to settle down.

Nixon - No major blunders because of his campaign style, although arguably the selection of Spiro Agnew, who was a terrible ticket drag.

Wallace - Numerous. He could have strong flashes, but he did not conduct a great campaign in terms of keeping the gaffes and PR blunders to a minimum.
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2011, 09:46:51 PM »

Thanks for the responses...OK to rate primary candidates RFK, Rockafeller, McCarthy etc.
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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2011, 10:22:21 AM »

I'll rate the primary contenders in alphabetical order.

Fundraising:

Kennedy- excellent, the best apart from Nixon and Rockefeller. But he burned through cash fairly quickly re expensive media buys, and barely managed to keep the books balanced.

McCarthy: Shoestring budget.

Rockefeller: Self-funder.

Romney: Middling, until brainwashing killed his candidacy.

Reagan: NA, he was a favorite son until late in the game.


Media Support-

Kennedy: Middling. His press corps loved him, but when Newsweek compares your rallies to Hitler Youth ones in intensity and the NYT passive-aggressively labels you an Arabist, can't call it universal.

McCarthy: Liberal columnists loved him, not so much everyone else.

Reagan: No idea.


Grassroots support:

Kennedy- Strongest and very passionate.

McCarthy: Very passionate, but weakly distributed.

Rockefeller: Weak, almost nonexistetnt.

Reagan: See McCarthy.


Convention support:

Kennedy- highly debatable
McCarthy- enough to throw it either way
Rockefeller: Middling
Reagan: too little on the first ballot.


Debating ability

Kennedy- See the CA debate WRT to population transfers. Not a great TV image, but razor-sharp on content.

McCarthy: See the CA debate

Rockefeller: Probably good, but we don't know.

Reagan: See '80, or his pwning RFK in '67.


Zingers on the stump

Kennedy- Excellent at this.

McCarthy: Ditto

Reagan: Same.

Rockefeller: Not really.


Blunders on the stump

Kennedy: Not adjusting his stump style for location. As a result, suburbanites who agreed with him on the issues would be turned off with his wild rallies.

McCarthy: Bitter-clingers attitude towards the RFK coalition.

Rockefeller: NA

Reagan: NA
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