Why are Liberalism and Liberty now opposites?

[A18]

lib·er·ty
n. pl. lib·er·ties

1.
a. The condition of being free from restriction or control.
b. The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing.
c. The condition of being physically and legally free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor.

2. Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.

Sorry, this word is not compatible with a 50% tax burden.

[Freedom]

It is interesting how much the word has evolved, it's now used with distaste. I have never really considered myself a liberal, just a Democrat.

[Cashcow]

It's not like most conservatives are actually conservative (hint: they aren't). The words are misleading.

[John Dibble]

Why do you think we have the word 'libertarian' now? Because liberalism is no longer what could be considered 'classical' liberalism.

[Lunar]

lib·er·ty
n. pl. lib·er·ties

1.
a. The condition of being free from restriction or control.
b. The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing.
c. The condition of being physically and legally free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor.

2. Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.

Sorry, this word is not compatible with a 50% tax burden.

So 35% is compatible? I doubt you actually believe in your anti-statist rhetoric based on your other posts.  Conservatives are also opposite from "liberty" on social issues (yes Philip, they are.  Note how you score "authoritarian" on the social scale on those tests?).

You seem obsessed with this concept that liberals want to put you into some kind of economic slavery.  Your alternative to this great evil (taxation) is a slightly mitigated infinite evil and you embrace this..it's so weird.  It's like saying "Black slavery is the worst crime ever committed..so let's get rid of it in South Carolina and leave it everywhere else."  Do you see how the two sections of that sentence aren't compatible?

[PBrunsel]

"True Liberalism is found not in striving to spread bureaucracy but in striving to set bounds to it."

-Herbert Hoover

[J-Mann]

I've said this before, and unfortunately I have to bring it up again: partisans will twist political definitions to fit their own needs.  You can't shove liberals into one "anti-liberty" definition just because some of them want a 50% tax bracket (and I hear very, very few of them calling for such a thing, by the way). 

Conservatives are actually liberal with some issues, and liberals are quite conservatives with others.  It's not that hard to figure out if you are capable of putting pure partisanship aside and being reasonable about analyzing political issues.

[Wakie]

A better question is why are conservatism and progress opposites.

[Gabu]

It's not that hard to figure out if you are capable of putting pure partisanship aside and being reasonable about analyzing political issues.

That explains why it's hard for him to figure out.

[A18]

No, that's the statistic. The average American pays roughly 50% of his income to the several branches of government throughout his life time.

The income tax certainly is not that high, but there's sales tax, property tax, the gas tax, luxury tax, and payroll tax.

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Matters can not be addressed universally. Ideally, the world would have no slaves, but abolishing slavery in the United States was a good start.

[Lunar]

Matters can not be addressed universally. Ideally, the world would have no slaves, but abolishing slavery in the United States was a good start.

Your belief systems have never been about the practicalities involved in implementing them (1/5 rule, etc.).

So you're saying we need to abolish the statist system in its entirety?  It's a view I can respect, but I don't think it's your view. 

My point was that you can't simultaneously embrace 85% of effectively what liberals do economically (government action) and then turn around and say that liberals advocate this infinite slavery and horrible evil.

[A18]

I think the 1/5 rule could pass in states like Illinois.

I am not for getting the state completely out of the economy. However, I don't embrace 85% of what liberals do economically.

[Lunar]

I think the 1/5 rule could pass in states like Illinois.

I am not for getting the state completely out of the economy. However, I don't embrace 85% of what liberals do economically.

Let's see, what you disagree with them on:
-Less government programs
-Less taxes

You're only thinking of the key issues where you disagree with liberals on and painting that as the whole picture.

[Kodratos]

Liberty to Philip means legalising the murder of illegal immigrants.

[A18]

Nice job spelling legalizing. Try again, troll.

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What do I agree with economic liberals on? I'm against minimum wage, social security, medicare, etc.

[Kodratos]

That's the British way(and therefore the proper way) to spell legalise.

I spend so much time on European football boards that I have learned to spell in that manner.

I'm a troll because you want to legalise murder?

Try again at what?