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« Reply #1375 on: March 25, 2012, 12:47:32 PM »

lol Singh.

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« Reply #1376 on: March 25, 2012, 01:37:34 PM »

I love that picture.
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« Reply #1377 on: March 25, 2012, 01:57:32 PM »
« Edited: March 25, 2012, 06:43:53 PM by Peternerdman »

I guess he's also keeping Anne McGrath as Chief of staff.  And I just watched the clip of him getting onto the podium for his speech.  His hug with Ed Broadbent was hilariously akward. 
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« Reply #1378 on: March 25, 2012, 06:47:34 PM »

Hey, everybody, I'm back. Hope y'all were following me on twitter.

Btw, lol @ Hashemite. I'm sorry, but your comments were pretty hackish. Someone tried to hack into the system, it wasn't the NDP's fault or even the company. Maybe doing it online wasn't the best way of running it, but it did make things convenient. I was able to vote on a friend's smart phone instead of waiting in line on the 2nd ballot.

Well, I am quite pleased. I was supporting Mulcair, but reluctantly. So far, he has reassured me of my choice. Keeping Libby as Deputy leader was a great thing for unity.

Should be a fun 3 years!
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« Reply #1379 on: March 26, 2012, 07:55:21 AM »

Well Mulcair is not stupid, or vengeful by the looks of things. He needed to place Libby back into Deputy Leader. We will see how he shuffles the caucus... i hope he keeps Nash in Finance i felt she was doing a wonderful job there. Cullen will get a plum spot too me thinks. Mulcair needs to bring the party together and keeping the more left wing aspects of the party happy is key, so Ashton better also be given something important to play with.

Topp shouldn't run, but if he does he should run in Sask since thats where most of his "gov't experience" comes from. But i agree new blood and i expect to see some tougher nomination battles coming.

His acceptance speach was flat, and was probably the speak he wanted to give on Sat... but i chalk that to being tired and having a long ass day... since the interview he gave with Mansbridge was 10x better then that speach. Did he say he was an NDP member in 75?

Anyway... the biggest changes will be in the messaging i think; one thing i read was he dose support the change from "democratic socialism" in the constitution... but to what? if its "Social Democratic" thats fine and dandy.... anything less and then your going to have a messy fight.
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« Reply #1380 on: March 26, 2012, 11:41:37 AM »

Didn't they try that last year when Layton was alive and it had to be shelved before a floor fight occurred? It would require 2/3 approval IIRC- ironically what Blair got when he axed Clause 4 in '93.
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« Reply #1381 on: March 26, 2012, 02:49:58 PM »

Cullen would be a fantastic choice for Opposition House leader.  Ashton could replace him as Western affairs critic.  Apparently Mulcair's planning an Easter-time-ish cabinet reshuffle to re-integrate the other candidates into the shadow cabinet.  (frankly, I wonder why he didn't do it already.)  Brad Levigne an Raymond Laguardia are both leaving.  McGrath is also staying on only temporarily.  Suspicious, much? 
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« Reply #1382 on: March 26, 2012, 02:54:34 PM »

Cullen would be a fantastic choice for Opposition House leader.  Ashton could replace him as Western affairs critic.  Apparently Mulcair's planning an Easter-time-ish cabinet reshuffle to re-integrate the other candidates into the shadow cabinet.  (frankly, I wonder why he didn't do it already.)  Brad Levigne an Raymond Laguardia are both leaving.  McGrath is also staying on only temporarily.  Suspicious, much? 

LaGuardia was told he'd have to get out if Mulcair won, the others had already planned to leave. It makes sense- these people were Layton's personal staff and Mulcair wants his own in there.
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« Reply #1383 on: March 26, 2012, 03:09:26 PM »

Well, that's normal. Those staff people are not associated with a position, but more to a person.
Each time a party change its leader, those people are leaving and the new leader appoints its own staff.

For LaGuardia, I'm member of the NDP-Quebec, and there was tensions since years between NDP-Quebec and LaGuardia (and Lavigne, on a smaller level), on the future of the party in Quebec.

Also, I suppose than the former president of NDP-Quebec (and director of Mulcair's campaign), Raoul Gébert, will get an job in Mulcair's staff.
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« Reply #1384 on: March 26, 2012, 03:40:12 PM »

All right then.  Maybe he can help start an NPDQ now that Mulcair doesn't want him.  Jk, I know that's the last thing they're thinking about right now, but I wish they'd re-launch the provincial wing in Quebec. 
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« Reply #1385 on: March 26, 2012, 03:45:59 PM »

All right then.  Maybe he can help start an NPDQ now that Mulcair doesn't want him.  Jk, I know that's the last thing they're thinking about right now, but I wish they'd re-launch the provincial wing in Quebec. 


Which would probably mean perpetual PLQ rule. *Shudder*
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« Reply #1386 on: March 26, 2012, 03:52:01 PM »

All right then.  Maybe he can help start an NPDQ now that Mulcair doesn't want him.  Jk, I know that's the last thing they're thinking about right now, but I wish they'd re-launch the provincial wing in Quebec. 

That would, of course, be a terrible idea, just like every time it's been tried before.
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« Reply #1387 on: March 26, 2012, 05:01:21 PM »

The last two times it was tried, it failed because the party was taken over by separatists.
The risk is smaller of that right now, but an attempt would fail, because Quebec electors like than their provincial and federal parties are separated.

Perhaps in a few years, depending of what happens to the NDP federally. One step at time in Quebec, please.
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« Reply #1388 on: March 26, 2012, 05:51:53 PM »

The last two times it was tried, it failed because the party was taken over by separatists.
The risk is smaller of that right now, but an attempt would fail, because Quebec electors like than their provincial and federal parties are separated.

Perhaps in a few years, depending of what happens to the NDP federally. One step at time in Quebec, please.
Do you think Quebecors would accept it if the PQ wins the next election and then starts screwing up and implementing austerity?  And I saw a poll somewhere that an NPDQ would get about 37% support, or something like that.
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« Reply #1389 on: March 26, 2012, 06:19:18 PM »

Perhaps, but, it wouldn't be the current situation. And except voters to go to QS if PQ is too right-wing, before wanting another party.

I saw that poll, too, but it was at the peak of the NDP wave, the low of the PQ and before the CAQ surge. That number would be quite lower today, especially than Mulcair wouldn't lead it. Its leader would be unknown.
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« Reply #1390 on: March 26, 2012, 06:19:38 PM »

The last two times it was tried, it failed because the party was taken over by separatists.
The risk is smaller of that right now, but an attempt would fail, because Quebec electors like than their provincial and federal parties are separated.

Perhaps in a few years, depending of what happens to the NDP federally. One step at time in Quebec, please.
Do you think Quebecors would accept it if the PQ wins the next election and then starts screwing up and implementing austerity?  And I saw a poll somewhere that an NPDQ would get about 37% support, or something like that.

Pauline Marois a fiscal conservative? Not in this timeline.
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« Reply #1391 on: March 27, 2012, 08:37:41 PM »

A result that would have seemed unsurprising towards the beginning, really. I should have been more skeptical of all these internet momentum rumours - in hindsight, the idea of people who've been voting NDP for forty years hanging around Hamilton, Winnipeg, etc. saying to themselves "Ed Broadbent doesn't tell me what to do!" was always kind of dubious.

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« Reply #1392 on: March 27, 2012, 08:42:20 PM »

A result that would have seemed unsurprising towards the beginning, really. I should have been more skeptical of all these internet momentum rumours - in hindsight, the idea of people who've been voting NDP for forty years hanging around Hamilton, Winnipeg, etc. saying to themselves "Ed Broadbent doesn't tell me what to do!" was always kind of dubious.



Yep. In the end electability/experience triumphed.
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« Reply #1393 on: March 27, 2012, 08:43:40 PM »

Meanwhile, for some subtly zany entertainment, this morning's Globe and Mail contained the following letter to the editor. Even if it were from an ordinary citizen its odd combination of erudite references (such as to the Laurentian Thesis) with its slew of vapid buzzwords and really weird argument would give it a certain random charm; but the identity of its sender renders it truly great.

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« Reply #1394 on: March 27, 2012, 08:50:29 PM »

Meanwhile, for some subtly zany entertainment, this morning's Globe and Mail contained the following letter to the editor. Even if it were from an ordinary citizen its odd combination of erudite references (such as to the Laurentian Thesis) with its slew of vapid buzzwords and really weird argument would give it a certain random charm; but the identity of its sender renders it truly great.

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Half-true at best. NDP certainly didn't make a mistake in electing Mulcair.
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« Reply #1395 on: March 27, 2012, 09:05:24 PM »

The last two times it was tried, it failed because the party was taken over by separatists.
The risk is smaller of that right now, but an attempt would fail, because Quebec electors like than their provincial and federal parties are separated.

Perhaps in a few years, depending of what happens to the NDP federally. One step at time in Quebec, please.
Do you think Quebecors would accept it if the PQ wins the next election and then starts screwing up and implementing austerity?  And I saw a poll somewhere that an NPDQ would get about 37% support, or something like that.

Pauline Marois a fiscal conservative? Not in this timeline.
If she gets a minority and compromises with CAQ and the PLQ by putting forward an austerity program is what I mean.  Plus, her policies on non-fiscal issues are pretty regressive (emulating Marine Le Pen on halal meat, wanting to drown the Anglos on Montreal's west island, etc.)
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« Reply #1396 on: March 27, 2012, 09:11:00 PM »

Meanwhile, for some subtly zany entertainment, this morning's Globe and Mail contained the following letter to the editor. Even if it were from an ordinary citizen its odd combination of erudite references (such as to the Laurentian Thesis) with its slew of vapid buzzwords and really weird argument would give it a certain random charm; but the identity of its sender renders it truly great.

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Glorious.
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« Reply #1397 on: March 27, 2012, 09:16:25 PM »

The last two times it was tried, it failed because the party was taken over by separatists.
The risk is smaller of that right now, but an attempt would fail, because Quebec electors like than their provincial and federal parties are separated.

Perhaps in a few years, depending of what happens to the NDP federally. One step at time in Quebec, please.
Do you think Quebecors would accept it if the PQ wins the next election and then starts screwing up and implementing austerity?  And I saw a poll somewhere that an NPDQ would get about 37% support, or something like that.

Pauline Marois a fiscal conservative? Not in this timeline.
If she gets a minority and compromises with CAQ and the PLQ by putting forward an austerity program is what I mean.  Plus, her policies on non-fiscal issues are pretty regressive (emulating Marine Le Pen on halal meat, wanting to drown the Anglos on Montreal's west island, etc.)

Anyone has to compromise in a minority. As for the rest... shocker, the PQ are cultural nationalists. Partly sincere, partly red meat (no pun intended) for their base. Let's continue this discussion in the Quebec thread, this isn't the place for it.

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« Reply #1398 on: March 30, 2012, 08:29:06 AM »

New poll from Forum research:
Conservatives: 35%
NDP: 35%
Liberals: 19%
Bloc: 7%
Greens: 3%

Woo hoo!
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« Reply #1399 on: March 30, 2012, 11:05:17 AM »

Is there any rationale for the Liberal Party to continue to exist in Canada. How many people fall into the category of "too smart to vote Tory and too rich to vote NDP"?
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