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« Reply #750 on: January 03, 2012, 11:41:28 am »
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Dewar is endorsed by Mable Elmore, MLA for Vancouver-Kensington. That's his 2nd endorsement from the province (first was former MP Catherine Bell)

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« Reply #751 on: January 03, 2012, 12:20:14 pm »
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It is petty of Topp to say how "social-democratic" he is while hurtling insults at others. Of course Canadian politics is run on a narrow spectrum of views, and Topp does not have the natural charisma to challenge this "Overton Window". He is no better than Mulcair when it comes to policy at this point. All he has is a gimmick - higher taxes on the rich.

I also disagree with this false dilemma on "equal outcome" and "equal opportunity", as if one had to choose one or the other. What made Layton's last campaign so successful was how he delivered a message that emphasized equal opportunity within a range of possible outcomes. The next leader does not have to go too off-message, but needs to convince voters that Harper is intent on creating outcomes that take away Canadians' equal opportunity.
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« Reply #752 on: January 03, 2012, 12:24:59 pm »
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Topp must be behind in his internals if he's already at the kitchen sink stage of attacks. But when you're running against Tom Mulcair, using anything but the kitchen sink approach would be foolish. It could create an opening for a third candidate if the two frontrunners have thoroughly toxified themselves- most likely Dewar or Nash.
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« Reply #753 on: January 03, 2012, 12:35:25 pm »
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Are you going to include former provincial candidates, cause, I could endorse somebody! Cheesy
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« Reply #754 on: January 03, 2012, 12:56:31 pm »
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Are you going to include former provincial candidates, cause, I could endorse somebody! Cheesy

No "just" candidates of any sort [I know the Ottawa South candidate from 2008 is working on the Mulcair campaign ftr]; And it appears you have already endorsed someone [Mulcair] Wink
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« Reply #755 on: January 03, 2012, 04:36:14 pm »
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Would it be possible for you to make a map showing only current MPs? That might be interesting to see.
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« Reply #756 on: January 04, 2012, 12:21:43 am »
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Updated to include chart here
http://blogs.canoe.ca/davidakin/politicsndp/with-less-than-4-months-to-go-whos-got-mo-in-the-ndp-leadership-race/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter



Quote from: Long-expected Succesor
Thomas Mulcair
Age: 56
Riding: Outremont, Quebec
History: Former Cabinet minister in Quebec
Note: First Quebec MP to contest an NDP leadership race.
Born: Laval, Quebec
Big Backers: NDP Supporters (according to one poll)
Teddy's Ranking: A+
Quote from: Strongest Female Voice
Peggy Nash
Age: 60
Riding: Parkdale High Park, Ontario
History: MP, Union Activist
Note: Considered the only Female in the race with a real possibility to win
Born: Toronto, Ontario
Big Backers: Part of CUPE
Teddy's Ranking: A
Quote from: Layton's chosen Succesor?
Brian Topp
Age: 51
Riding: Parkdale High Park, Ontario (He lives here but is not an MP)
History: President of the NDP.
Note: Seen as Layton's chosen successor by some
Born: Longueuil, Quebec.
Big Backers: NDP Establishment (according to the Media)
Teddy's Ranking: A-
Quote from: Moderate
Paul Dewar
Age: 48
Riding: Ottawa Centre, Ontario
History: Mother was Mayor for quite some time, as well as MP and NDP President
Note: Seen as inoffensive to NDPers of all stripes
Born: Ottawa, Ontario
Big Backers: Self
Teddy's Ranking: B+
Quote from: Western Candidate
Nathan Cullen
Age: 39
Riding: Skeena-Bulkley Valley, British Columbia
History: MP since 2004, businessman
Note: Only candidate from the 3 Westmost provinces; where half of the NDP membership resides.
Born: Smithers, British Columbia
Big Backers: Self
Teddy's Ranking: B-
Quote from: Gateway to Native Votes?
Romeo Saganash
Age: 49
Riding: Abitibi-Baie-James-Nunavik-Eeyou, Quebec
History: First Nations Leader
Note: Possibly the first time a First Nations candidate has run for leader of a major party
Born: Waswanipi Cree First Nation
Big Backers: Self
Teddy's Ranking: C+
Quote from: Youthful Ideas
Niki Ashton
Age: 29
Riding: Churchill, Manitoba
History: Elected in 2008 at age 26
Note: Youngest candidate in the race
Born: Thompson, Manioba
Big Backers: Self
Teddy's Ranking: C
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Martin Singh
Age: 38
Riding: Sackville Eastern Shore, Nova Scotia (He lives here but is not an MP)
History: Businessman
Note: First Seikh candidate for a major party
Born: Nova Scotia
Big Backers: None yet
Teddy's Ranking: D-
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« Reply #757 on: January 04, 2012, 12:52:08 am »
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Would it be possible for you to make a map showing only current MPs? That might be interesting to see.

Look at the coloured ridings
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« Reply #758 on: January 04, 2012, 11:09:43 am »
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Nash endorsed by actress Sarah Polley. Since she's not a politician, the map remains unchanged.
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« Reply #759 on: January 05, 2012, 08:56:20 am »
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Danny Morin a PQ MP is now supporting Peggy Nash. One of the young class from Quebec, also one of the few openly gay MPs like Randall Garrisson, Philipe Toone and Libby Davies
http://peggynash.ca/2012/le-depute-du-npd-dany-morin-appuie-peggy-nash-a-la-chefferie/

A good review of Mulcair... in the Post of all places (cringe)
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/12/30/thomas-mulcair-stakes-his-leadership-bid-on-a-pledge-of-sustainable-development/

Peggy Nash pushing an alternate economy
http://www.straight.com/article-570731/vancouver/peggy-nash-hopes-win-ndp-leadership-highlighting-economic-alternative-stephen-harpers-approach

... the race ain't getting the attention it needs, i've heard its been ignored completely in Alberta when each canadidate has come to town (f'ing media)

BTW, love that map! Makes me wonder how the NDP would look if it ran US caucuses? what if the NDP had its own Iowa, say Sask an omage to the history of the party.
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« Reply #760 on: January 05, 2012, 11:44:13 am »
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Do Dippers know where they stand?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/john-ibbitson/does-the-ndp-know-where-it-stands/article2292162/
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« Reply #761 on: January 05, 2012, 12:56:35 pm »
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Out of curiosity, Roguebeaver, do you post these articles because you agree with them or just to keep the debate going?

I've always found Ibbitson vacuous and that article suffers further from what I now call the left-wing false dilemma. This whole "progressivism v. social democracy" nonsense is just a sign that the NDP needing a more coherent platform, and there is no reason why the party should choose message over ideas like the Conservatives.

One possibility I've heard few pundits talk about is whether Harper could be defeated by economic as well as political forces by 2015. Perhaps Canadians are still on a high from Canada's relatively stable condition, but I've always believed by the next election Harper will be trapped in a Mulroney-esque crisis.
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« Reply #762 on: January 05, 2012, 01:04:02 pm »
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Out of curiosity, Roguebeaver, do you post these articles because you agree with them or just to keep the debate going?

I've always found Ibbitson vacuous and that article suffers further from what I now call the left-wing false dilemma. This whole "progressivism v. social democracy" nonsense is just a sign that the NDP needing a more coherent platform, and there is no reason why the party should choose message over ideas like the Conservatives.

One possibility I've heard few pundits talk about is whether Harper could be defeated by economic as well as political forces by 2015. Perhaps Canadians are still on a high from Canada's relatively stable condition, but I've always believed by the next election Harper will be trapped in a Mulroney-esque crisis.

In this case, and generally speaking, to keep the debate going. My personal impression is that the NDP base is somewhere between Topp and Dewar, though I don't really know the NDP that much. So I disagree with Ibbitson.
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« Reply #763 on: January 05, 2012, 01:50:28 pm »
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Another MP has endorsed Peggy Nash (Mike Sullivan, York South-Weston).
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« Reply #764 on: January 05, 2012, 02:04:06 pm »
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The momentum has seemed to shift in favour of Mulcair and Nash, at the expense of Topp... which is fine with me.
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« Reply #765 on: January 05, 2012, 02:53:42 pm »
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« Reply #766 on: January 06, 2012, 04:59:31 pm »
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Former Saskatchewan Premier Lorne Calvert endorses Brian Topp

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Note, it's getting squishy in Saskatoon. Calvert's riding was the same as Romanow's.
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« Reply #767 on: January 06, 2012, 05:18:19 pm »

Is that mark in the Battlefords are Len Taylor? He used to be an MP as well.
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« Reply #768 on: January 06, 2012, 11:01:46 pm »
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Is that mark in the Battlefords are Len Taylor? He used to be an MP as well.

Nope, Violet Stanger. The mark is actually Lloydminster, not the Battlefords. GEEZ, KNOW YOUR GEOGRAPHY, AL! Wink
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« Reply #769 on: January 07, 2012, 07:28:11 am »
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Is that mark in the Battlefords are Len Taylor? He used to be an MP as well.

Nope, Violet Stanger. The mark is actually Lloydminster, not the Battlefords. GEEZ, KNOW YOUR GEOGRAPHY, AL! Wink
Honestly, that remark made me laugh Smiley
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« Reply #770 on: January 07, 2012, 09:04:13 am »
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Is that mark in the Battlefords are Len Taylor? He used to be an MP as well.

Nope, Violet Stanger. The mark is actually Lloydminster, not the Battlefords. GEEZ, KNOW YOUR GEOGRAPHY, AL! Wink

As geography of that area isn't very good for me, is Lloydmister the city split between Alberta and Saskatchewan?
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« Reply #771 on: January 07, 2012, 09:21:46 am »
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« Reply #772 on: January 09, 2012, 11:29:41 am »
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Loenard Krog BC MLA from Nanaimo looks to be going with Mulcair.
Hes a former 2003 leadership candidate, but i'm not that familiar with him.

http://www.straight.com/article-578936/vancouver/ndp-mla-leonard-krog-expected-endorse-thomas-mulcair-federal-party-leader

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« Reply #773 on: January 10, 2012, 10:37:11 am »
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Topp: abolish the Senate, introduce PR.

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-canadienne/201201/10/01-4484310-npd-brian-topp-veut-abolir-le-senat.php
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« Reply #774 on: January 10, 2012, 11:40:50 am »
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St. Maurice-Champlain should go back to white, as their MP crossed the floor to Liberals.
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