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« Reply #1300 on: March 24, 2012, 10:44:20 am »
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Well, given there is much issues right now with online voting (too much trying to vote at the same time), it's probably done on purpose.
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« Reply #1301 on: March 24, 2012, 11:33:42 am »
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Topp said he would endorse Nash if he were to drop, hopes she would endorse him. Cullen is highly predicted to support Mulcair if he's out.

Looks like it's Mulcair/Cullen versus Nash/Topp, but no one knows what Nash wants, really.
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« Reply #1302 on: March 24, 2012, 11:43:12 am »
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Topp said he would endorse Nash if he were to drop, hopes she would endorse him. Cullen is highly predicted to support Mulcair if he's out.

Looks like it's Mulcair/Cullen versus Nash/Topp, but no one knows what Nash wants, really.

Pat Martin thinks Cullen could surpass Topp on the next ballot. IMO if Mulcair doesn't break 40 on the next ballot he's in trouble.
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« Reply #1303 on: March 24, 2012, 11:54:42 am »

What a bunch of incompetent nincompoops.
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« Reply #1304 on: March 24, 2012, 11:58:19 am »
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Any info on the candidates, because I don't know much about them. Cullen seems good, though.
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« Reply #1305 on: March 24, 2012, 12:48:17 pm »
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Second ballot

Nash 10519 16.8%
Cullen 12449 19.9%
Topp 15624 25%
Mulcair 23902 38.8%
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« Reply #1306 on: March 24, 2012, 12:48:58 pm »

Mulcair 38.3
Topp 25
Cullen 19.9
Nash 16.8

Nash eliminated, Cullen's performance is underwhelming, Mulcair faces some pretty stiff resistance. Go Topp!
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« Reply #1307 on: March 24, 2012, 12:50:02 pm »
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Mulcair 38.3
Topp 25
Cullen 19.9
Nash 16.8

Nash eliminated, Cullen's performance is underwhelming, Mulcair faces some pretty stiff resistance. Go Topp!

If Cullen throws in with Mulcair, game over.
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« Reply #1308 on: March 24, 2012, 12:50:21 pm »
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I think nearly 39% is a very good result for Mulcair in the second round.
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« Reply #1309 on: March 24, 2012, 12:53:04 pm »
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I think nearly 39% is a very good result for Mulcair in the second round.

Nash released her delegates, which is probably good news for Mulcair.
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« Reply #1310 on: March 24, 2012, 01:02:05 pm »
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I notice than Mulcair gained 4200 votes, while all other candidates gained roughly 2000 each. Mulcair isn't doing badly in second choices, then.

I'm pretty sure than Mulcair wins. The only case I can see him losing is if Cullen manages to get over Topp on next count, because Cullen is more consentual than both Mulcair and Topp.

Topp is the candidate who gained the least votes in the 2rd round, it means something.
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« Reply #1311 on: March 24, 2012, 01:05:28 pm »
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Any info on the candidates, because I don't know much about them. Cullen seems good, though.
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« Reply #1312 on: March 24, 2012, 01:20:41 pm »
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This post...

On the other hand, even though it's pretty unlikely, I'll admit it wouldn't completely shock me if Topp were stronger than the forum thinks. If we hadn't had any real polls and only had the internet (which is basically our situation now), we would have thought that Hillary Clinton had only "establishment" and no "grassroots" support too...

...seems rather prescient.
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« Reply #1313 on: March 24, 2012, 02:15:26 pm »
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Any info on the candidates, because I don't know much about them. Cullen seems good, though.

In terms of ideology, there's not any real difference.
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« Reply #1314 on: March 24, 2012, 02:20:02 pm »
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Any info on the candidates, because I don't know much about them. Cullen seems good, though.

In terms of ideology, there's not any real difference.

Everyone to the left of Mulcair/Cullen is a matter of degree IMO. Even Mulcair has cap and trade "carbon pricing" in his platform, though he doesn't talk about it.
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« Reply #1315 on: March 24, 2012, 02:29:56 pm »
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So Topp's the most left-wing? I would think that Cullen would be. But it looks like Mulcair will win. Mulcair just doesn't seem good at all. Plus, the NDP can't just be a Quebec party.
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« Reply #1316 on: March 24, 2012, 02:36:08 pm »
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So Topp's the most left-wing? I would think that Cullen would be. But it looks like Mulcair will win. Mulcair just doesn't seem good at all. Plus, the NDP can't just be a Quebec party.

Of the remaining candidates, yes.
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« Reply #1317 on: March 24, 2012, 02:41:10 pm »
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So Topp's the most left-wing? I would think that Cullen would be. But it looks like Mulcair will win. Mulcair just doesn't seem good at all. Plus, the NDP can't just be a Quebec party.

It also can't just be a non-Quebec party if it is to have any chance of winning anything.
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« Reply #1318 on: March 24, 2012, 02:48:36 pm »
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Obviously, Mulcair not winning would be deeply problematic.
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« Reply #1319 on: March 24, 2012, 02:52:02 pm »
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I guess, but I do like Cullen's idea about the Lib-NDP-Green candidate in Conservative ridings.
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« Reply #1320 on: March 24, 2012, 02:59:14 pm »
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Obviously, Mulcair not winning would be deeply problematic.
Why would Mulcair be better than Topp or Cullen? Also, is Mulcair the most like Layton? Because that would be a good sign.
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« Reply #1321 on: March 24, 2012, 03:01:00 pm »
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As someone with no knowledge whatsoever of how such things work, I have a question about Cullen's proposal:
Would the party itself have to hold a vote on whether or not to allow his idea to go through, if he wins this?  Because I doubt they'd actually approve of it, so if that were the case, then I'll be rooting for Cullen from here on out.  
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« Reply #1322 on: March 24, 2012, 03:01:10 pm »
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3rd ballot voting extended to 5:40 PM Eastern.
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« Reply #1323 on: March 24, 2012, 03:02:38 pm »
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3rd ballot voting extended to 5:40 PM Eastern.
Wow, the NDP has been completely failing today.
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« Reply #1324 on: March 24, 2012, 03:06:53 pm »
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I hope Nash supporters are smart and jump ship to Cullen, because he'd have a better shot of betting Mulcair (except among Quebec members).  Not to mention, he'd be the only other candidate who could viably become Prime Minister.
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