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« Reply #1350 on: March 24, 2012, 07:59:34 pm »
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Despite continuing DDOS attacks voting will still shut down now, all candidates have agreed to accept the result.
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« Reply #1351 on: March 24, 2012, 08:17:20 pm »
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Mulcair being a chairman rather than a CEO? Not unless he's had a personality transplant in the past little while.

I hope he at least realizes there are ministries that he should leave well alone. Not sure if, given his new aversion towards interviews, his (shadow) ministers will step up to the plate for him.


A DDoS attack is, to put it simply, a bunch of people trying to access a server at once so the server can't handle it anymore. From what the CBC reported, the NDP contracted a Spanish company for the e-voting software used today. Either the company did not have enough servers running, or the NDP tried to save money. Now, there are enough automated requests being sent to the server that actual NDP voters can no longer access the voting program.

The servers themselves were not "hacked". DDoS attacks are like organizing a flash mob to run through a door so no one else can get in. If the target purchased extra server space, then these attacks fail spectacularly. But I guess that wasn't the case.
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« Reply #1352 on: March 24, 2012, 08:21:35 pm »

Mulcair wins, making sure I'll never vote NDP.
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« Reply #1353 on: March 24, 2012, 08:26:13 pm »
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Much larger margin than I thought.
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« Reply #1354 on: March 24, 2012, 08:44:24 pm »

Mulcair's speech was pretty terrible.
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« Reply #1355 on: March 24, 2012, 08:45:56 pm »
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That speech was pretty bland, but, anyways, everyone is looking hockey at this hour.
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« Reply #1356 on: March 24, 2012, 08:49:34 pm »
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« Reply #1357 on: March 24, 2012, 08:52:01 pm »
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Percentage: 57.2% Mulcair, 42.8% Topp. 

Raw vote: Mulcair 33,821, Topp 25,329
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« Reply #1358 on: March 24, 2012, 09:48:25 pm »
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Percentage: 57.2% Mulcair, 42.8% Topp. 

Raw vote: Mulcair 33,821, Topp 25,329
Damn.  I would've hoped it'd be narrower.  Ah well.  I'll be remembering what you guys said about how he'll be toast if he tries to make the NDP Third Way.  If he starts as leader by demoting Libby in any way, shape, or form, I'll go berserk.
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« Reply #1359 on: March 24, 2012, 09:56:55 pm »
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Percentage: 57.2% Mulcair, 42.8% Topp. 

Raw vote: Mulcair 33,821, Topp 25,329
Damn.  I would've hoped it'd be narrower.  Ah well.  I'll be remembering what you guys said about how he'll be toast if he tries to make the NDP Third Way.  If he starts as leader by demoting Libby in any way, shape, or form, I'll go berserk.

He'd be more subtle than that. It depends if his opponents are willing to deal. And given the size of his mandate they'll have to deal. You want to tell Tom Mulcair no to his face, you better be fearless otherwise you'll pantsh**t before opening your mouth.
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« Reply #1360 on: March 24, 2012, 10:17:19 pm »
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If Mulcair distributes authority as some of us are talking about the NDP should hold up okay ideologically. If he tries to make it Third Way it will obviously suffer among its base, which I think he realizes even if his instincts probably would be to moderate at least somewhat to appeal to yet more voters. It should be remembered that so far as I understand it he left or was removed from his position in Quebec's PL provincial government because he thought it was too rightist on something or other. Parks, maybe? He also needs to make sure he doesn't squander the fact that he's inherited a historically anomalous dominance (at the federal level) of his province and that he was elected partially, perhaps even primarily, on the basis of the idea that he could be entrusted with maintaining that.
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« Reply #1361 on: March 24, 2012, 10:30:23 pm »
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Percentage: 57.2% Mulcair, 42.8% Topp. 

Raw vote: Mulcair 33,821, Topp 25,329
Damn.  I would've hoped it'd be narrower.  Ah well.  I'll be remembering what you guys said about how he'll be toast if he tries to make the NDP Third Way.  If he starts as leader by demoting Libby in any way, shape, or form, I'll go berserk.

I think he will have too.
Because of his results, I think than Cullen must get a position.
And other provinces will complain if BC gets two powerful offices.
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« Reply #1362 on: March 24, 2012, 10:31:03 pm »
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Wow, watching the speech, it's amazing how pissed Broadbent looks.  
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« Reply #1363 on: March 24, 2012, 10:42:28 pm »
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Well, Broadbent seems to be very pissed and seems to hate everyone who doesn't agree with its view of the NDP.
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« Reply #1364 on: March 24, 2012, 10:43:21 pm »
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Mulcair doesn't need to drag the NDP to the right in order to make it to his liking as Layton's platform at the last election was reassuringly and absolutely moderate anyway. Though I suppose  it might grate a little more when the leader lacks radical baggage or something.
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« Reply #1365 on: March 24, 2012, 10:50:50 pm »
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Will Mulcair try a revenge by denying a place to Topp as candidate for MP or throwing him in a very difficult riding? I think that NDP should promote and develop fresh faces to get a strong campaign. Broadbent was unable to do Quebec gains with a better national conjuncture.
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« Reply #1366 on: March 24, 2012, 10:55:02 pm »
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Well, Broadbent seems to be very pissed and seems to hate everyone who doesn't agree with its view of the NDP.
True.  He and Mulcair are a lot more similar than they think. 
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« Reply #1367 on: March 24, 2012, 10:57:00 pm »
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Will Mulcair try a revenge by denying a place to Topp as candidate for MP or throwing him in a very difficult riding? I think that NDP should promote and develop fresh faces to get a strong campaign. Broadbent was unable to do Quebec gains with a better national conjuncture.

Denying a place to Brian Topp as candidate for MP is doing the God's work, so I can't say I'd blame him, though it would be a dick move if he tried it with any of the others who might end up in that situation.
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« Reply #1368 on: March 24, 2012, 10:59:39 pm »
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Well, if he wants to run in Quebec, he should be denied. He lives in Toronto, so, he runs in Toronto.
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« Reply #1369 on: March 24, 2012, 11:05:25 pm »
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Mulcair just announced Libby Davies is remaining deputy leader.  I liked his interview with Peter Mansbridge.  I'm satisfied for now. 
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« Reply #1370 on: March 25, 2012, 04:33:56 am »
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Mulcair got more of Nash's voters than Cullen did (a bit less than Topp though), but though he won Cullen's he didn't do so by all that much.

And I sincerely hope that no one tries to use the internet to hold an actual election. Ever. Again. Anywhere in the world.
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« Reply #1371 on: March 25, 2012, 07:37:41 am »
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Yeah, I think Mulcair's speech was pretty bland, pretty different from the type of speech he gave when I met him. Oh well, maybe he was tired and over it after so long. I don't think it matters. I think, though, that his manner in giving speeches is very similar to Harper's.
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« Reply #1372 on: March 25, 2012, 07:59:48 am »
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Yes, he would have been rather tired. Yes, internet elections are a mistake. In this case it's probably brought nothing more than unnecessary additional stress and some delays. In other cases...
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« Reply #1373 on: March 25, 2012, 08:06:42 am »

It's a bit crazy how some of the radical lefties are treating Mulcair's victory as something akin to Jean-Marie Le Pen or Stephen Harper winning the NDP leadership.
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« Reply #1374 on: March 25, 2012, 08:09:17 am »
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That's to be expected, but they're just a vocal minority.
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