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« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2011, 08:17:39 am »
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Anyone who'd even, for the slightest part of the smallest moment, think about breaking international laws in order to eliminate immigration is a crazy far right nut in my books.

Anyway, if I was in Denmark, I'd probably vote Conservative or Liberal depending on their specific policies.

Edit - The Conservatives are more conservative than I thought, so I'd vote Liberal.
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« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2011, 08:21:39 am »
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You guys wouldn't happen to have a link to a party test preferably in English, or even Swedish? I'm sort of curious to which party I'd be considered closest to. I'm guessing either Venstre, Radikale Venstre, or Liberal Alliance. I can read written Danish rather decently, but when it comes to politics there's always there will always be strange an hard words that non-speakers will have a hard time understanding.

You wouldn't vote with a party that allies with the far-right ? Huh

As opposed to parties that ally with the far-left?
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« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2011, 08:26:50 am »
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You guys wouldn't happen to have a link to a party test preferably in English, or even Swedish? I'm sort of curious to which party I'd be considered closest to. I'm guessing either Venstre, Radikale Venstre, or Liberal Alliance. I can read written Danish rather decently, but when it comes to politics there's always there will always be strange an hard words that non-speakers will have a hard time understanding.

You wouldn't vote with a party that allies with the far-right ? Huh

Based on economic matters they might very well be the party I'm closest to on most issues, that doesn't mean I'd vote for them in this election. I'd either vote for Radikale Venstre hoping to get as strong centrist and centre-right influence as possible in the new goverment, or Liberal Alliance to strengthen the immigration-friendly right. But I still think it's quite likly I'd end up closest to Venstre on a party test.  
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« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2011, 08:40:54 am »

You guys wouldn't happen to have a link to a party test preferably in English, or even Swedish? I'm sort of curious to which party I'd be considered closest to. I'm guessing either Venstre, Radikale Venstre, or Liberal Alliance. I can read written Danish rather decently, but when it comes to politics there's always there will always be strange an hard words that non-speakers will have a hard time understanding.

You wouldn't vote with a party that allies with the far-right ? Huh

As opposed to parties that ally with the far-left?

You might have a point if that was anywhere remotely close to the truth.
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« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2011, 09:24:33 am »
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You guys wouldn't happen to have a link to a party test preferably in English, or even Swedish? I'm sort of curious to which party I'd be considered closest to. I'm guessing either Venstre, Radikale Venstre, or Liberal Alliance. I can read written Danish rather decently, but when it comes to politics there's always there will always be strange an hard words that non-speakers will have a hard time understanding.

You wouldn't vote with a party that allies with the far-right ? Huh

As opposed to parties that ally with the far-left?

You might have a point if that was anywhere remotely close to the truth.

Depends on one's perspective; I consider the Red-Green alliance parties to be far left, and the Danish People's Party has far less problematic origins than, say, the Socialist People's Party.
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« Reply #30 on: August 28, 2011, 12:48:30 pm »
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Results last time, just to give a general, you know.
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« Reply #31 on: August 28, 2011, 01:21:37 pm »
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What part of Denmark is the bellwether area?  I know Copenhagen favours the left, while the areas near the German border favour the right.  What part is the bellwether part.
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« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2011, 03:39:23 pm »
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Anyone who'd even, for the slightest part of the smallest moment, think about breaking international laws in order to eliminate immigration is a crazy far right nut in my books.

Sorry but that's crap, there have been no such thing, they have suggested that Denmark pull out of some international treaties, which people can agree or disagree with, but are fully legal by any standard of international law.

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Anyway, if I was in Denmark, I'd probably vote Conservative or Liberal depending on their specific policies.

Edit - The Conservatives are more conservative than I thought, so I'd vote Liberal.

That surprise me, because they have supported DF/DPP anti-Immigration politic through ten years so that DPP would support their policies (centralisation, New Public Mannagement, privatisation and in general favouring big business).
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« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2011, 03:54:19 pm »
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You guys wouldn't happen to have a link to a party test preferably in English, or even Swedish? I'm sort of curious to which party I'd be considered closest to. I'm guessing either Venstre, Radikale Venstre, or Liberal Alliance. I can read written Danish rather decently, but when it comes to politics there's always there will always be strange an hard words that non-speakers will have a hard time understanding.

You wouldn't vote with a party that allies with the far-right ? Huh

As opposed to parties that ally with the far-left?

You might have a point if that was anywhere remotely close to the truth.

Depends on one's perspective; I consider the Red-Green alliance parties to be far left, and the Danish People's Party has far less problematic origins than, say, the Socialist People's Party.

You mean the split from the Social Democrats after they didn't overthrow the king after his failed coup in 1920, the support of Trotsky over Stalin, the fact that it founder was thrown in Sachsenhausen under the War, their history of being one of the main group of Freedom Fighters under the War or their split from USSR after the Soviet intervention in Hungary? As far as parties go they have a lot less ugly history than the Conservative, who are successor to Høire, who more or less establised a dictatorship from 1866 to 1901. The primary reason DPP have a less distinct history than SPP, is more or less because all far right parties closed after 1945, so they had to reestablish themselves, when enough people who didn't remember the war became adult and could vote.
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« Reply #34 on: August 28, 2011, 04:02:42 pm »
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This is true for a lot of countries. The huge electoral break of the European Far Right in the last few decades is at least partially due to voters who always were there returning to their natural habitat, which they had left when that habitat became too toxic after '45. (I'd say)
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« Reply #35 on: August 28, 2011, 04:10:07 pm »
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What part of Denmark is the bellwether area?  I know Copenhagen favours the left, while the areas near the German border favour the right.  What part is the bellwether part.

The Danish electoral system are a mix of PR and multi-member constituencies. As such there are no Bellwether areas, simply put people vote after regional, class, income and ethnic origin. As such it's quite hard to find a average area, the maps above show the regions, which are lousy to show parliament elections. The SocDem are always stronger in region and municipality elections, simply because they are the administrative link and people trust SocDem more there, while in parliamental elections, which is about economy and laws where people trust the right more. In fact in along the southern border (Region of Southern Denmark) as you described it, the SocDem are usual quite strong at the elections, but the local Region Mayor won through great personal popularity and he belongs to the more social liberal part of Venstre.  
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This is true for a lot of countries. The huge electoral break of the European Far Right in the last few decades is at least partially due to voters who always were there returning to their natural habitat, which they had left when that habitat became too toxic after '45. (I'd say)

Yes it isn't unusual, but DPP are in many way unusual, because it splited from the Progress Party, which look a lot like the modern European far right except that it was created 40 year earlier than most such parties. It also what give DPP it unusual staying power, because its politicians have been in politics for decades, so they have both experience and a developed networks. In fact for all that DPP are reactionary, traditional and dislike modern media (like facebook). They are in fact the most modern party, they run it more like a streamlined corporation with a top-down structure, rather than the more bottom-up NGO-like structure of the other parties. Whether it's going to be viable in the long term, I don't know, but in the short term the results have been incredible. But when Pia Kjærsgaard retire we may see problems with the structure, simply because there lack ways to get rid of poor leaders.
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« Reply #37 on: August 28, 2011, 04:35:56 pm »
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You guys wouldn't happen to have a link to a party test preferably in English, or even Swedish? I'm sort of curious to which party I'd be considered closest to. I'm guessing either Venstre, Radikale Venstre, or Liberal Alliance. I can read written Danish rather decently, but when it comes to politics there's always there will always be strange an hard words that non-speakers will have a hard time understanding.

You wouldn't vote with a party that allies with the far-right ? Huh

As opposed to parties that ally with the far-left?

I think most people would agree that the far-left is vastly preferable to the far-right.
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« Reply #38 on: August 28, 2011, 04:38:34 pm »
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« Reply #39 on: August 28, 2011, 04:43:29 pm »
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You guys wouldn't happen to have a link to a party test preferably in English, or even Swedish? I'm sort of curious to which party I'd be considered closest to. I'm guessing either Venstre, Radikale Venstre, or Liberal Alliance. I can read written Danish rather decently, but when it comes to politics there's always there will always be strange an hard words that non-speakers will have a hard time understanding.

You wouldn't vote with a party that allies with the far-right ? Huh

As opposed to parties that ally with the far-left?

You might have a point if that was anywhere remotely close to the truth.

Depends on one's perspective; I consider the Red-Green alliance parties to be far left, and the Danish People's Party has far less problematic origins than, say, the Socialist People's Party.

You mean the split from the Social Democrats after they didn't overthrow the king after his failed coup in 1920, the support of Trotsky over Stalin, the fact that it founder was thrown in Sachsenhausen under the War, their history of being one of the main group of Freedom Fighters under the War or their split from USSR after the Soviet intervention in Hungary? As far as parties go they have a lot less ugly history than the Conservative, who are successor to Høire, who more or less establised a dictatorship from 1866 to 1901. The primary reason DPP have a less distinct history than SPP, is more or less because all far right parties closed after 1945, so they had to reestablish themselves, when enough people who didn't remember the war became adult and could vote.

That information is quite different from that which is contained on their Wikipedia page (and for the record, supporting Trotsky over Stalin merely makes a group less extreme, not commendable); are you referring to the actions of the Communist Party of Denmark? : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_People%27s_Party_(Denmark)#1959.E2.80.9369

I was referring to their origins in the Communist movement, which is a political ideology much farther to the left than anti-immigrant populism is to the right.  For that matter, I don't consider the Danish People's Party to be as far-right as 'Eurocommunism' is far-left.    

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« Reply #40 on: August 28, 2011, 04:46:01 pm »
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You guys wouldn't happen to have a link to a party test preferably in English, or even Swedish? I'm sort of curious to which party I'd be considered closest to. I'm guessing either Venstre, Radikale Venstre, or Liberal Alliance. I can read written Danish rather decently, but when it comes to politics there's always there will always be strange an hard words that non-speakers will have a hard time understanding.

You wouldn't vote with a party that allies with the far-right ? Huh

As opposed to parties that ally with the far-left?

I think most people would agree that the far-left is vastly preferable to the far-right.

Most people on this forum, perhaps.
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« Reply #41 on: August 28, 2011, 04:59:58 pm »
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This is true for a lot of countries. The huge electoral break of the European Far Right in the last few decades is at least partially due to voters who always were there returning to their natural habitat, which they had left when that habitat became too toxic after '45. (I'd say)

I must say I seriously doubt that. I think it might be true in some countries on the continent (like your Belgium or say Austria) but not in Scandinavia. For one thing, the WWII far-right was a lot more right-ish than the current far-right. 
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This is true for a lot of countries. The huge electoral break of the European Far Right in the last few decades is at least partially due to voters who always were there returning to their natural habitat, which they had left when that habitat became too toxic after '45. (I'd say)

I must say I seriously doubt that. I think it might be true in some countries on the continent (like your Belgium or say Austria) but not in Scandinavia. For one thing, the WWII far-right was a lot more right-ish than the current far-right. 

I wasn't saying that I knew for a fact that that was the case in Denmark, I don't know enough about the place to make such bold claims. But what matters isn't  the real ideological profile of a party, but the perceived one and/or the degree to which a certain relative position on the spectre would still be associated with WWII. In my own case, the VU was way more moderate than the N-VA, yet it is the latter that turned out to have a greater potential base.

But in general, I think it's true for a large part of Western Europe.
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« Reply #43 on: August 28, 2011, 06:55:41 pm »
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You'd think an American right-winger would have at least a small soft sport for a party founded by a CIA agent Tongue
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« Reply #44 on: August 28, 2011, 07:47:10 pm »
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I thought this was pretty funny. Love the exception for White South Africans. And I'm surprised they haven't been scared by high crime rates among Hispanic-Americans!
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« Reply #45 on: August 28, 2011, 07:57:09 pm »
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I thought this was pretty funny. Love the exception for White South Africans. And I'm surprised they haven't been scared by high crime rates among Hispanic-Americans!

No, no, no this isn't racist at all. They're just conservatives who want to protect national sovereignty!
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« Reply #47 on: August 28, 2011, 10:58:37 pm »
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« Reply #48 on: August 29, 2011, 04:04:03 am »
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You guys wouldn't happen to have a link to a party test preferably in English, or even Swedish? I'm sort of curious to which party I'd be considered closest to. I'm guessing either Venstre, Radikale Venstre, or Liberal Alliance. I can read written Danish rather decently, but when it comes to politics there's always there will always be strange an hard words that non-speakers will have a hard time understanding.

You wouldn't vote with a party that allies with the far-right ? Huh

As opposed to parties that ally with the far-left?

You might have a point if that was anywhere remotely close to the truth.

Depends on one's perspective; I consider the Red-Green alliance parties to be far left, and the Danish People's Party has far less problematic origins than, say, the Socialist People's Party.

You mean the split from the Social Democrats after they didn't overthrow the king after his failed coup in 1920, the support of Trotsky over Stalin, the fact that it founder was thrown in Sachsenhausen under the War, their history of being one of the main group of Freedom Fighters under the War or their split from USSR after the Soviet intervention in Hungary? As far as parties go they have a lot less ugly history than the Conservative, who are successor to Høire, who more or less establised a dictatorship from 1866 to 1901. The primary reason DPP have a less distinct history than SPP, is more or less because all far right parties closed after 1945, so they had to reestablish themselves, when enough people who didn't remember the war became adult and could vote.

That information is quite different from that which is contained on their Wikipedia page (and for the record, supporting Trotsky over Stalin merely makes a group less extreme, not commendable); are you referring to the actions of the Communist Party of Denmark? : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_People%27s_Party_(Denmark)#1959.E2.80.9369

I was referring to their origins in the Communist movement, which is a political ideology much farther to the left than anti-immigrant populism is to the right.  For that matter, I don't consider the Danish People's Party to be as far-right as 'Eurocommunism' is far-left.

OK guy, thanks for letting us know.
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« Reply #49 on: August 29, 2011, 06:28:41 am »
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You guys wouldn't happen to have a link to a party test preferably in English, or even Swedish? I'm sort of curious to which party I'd be considered closest to. I'm guessing either Venstre, Radikale Venstre, or Liberal Alliance. I can read written Danish rather decently, but when it comes to politics there's always there will always be strange an hard words that non-speakers will have a hard time understanding.

Here is a test with 25 questions. It's only in Danish, but I used the Google Translator and understood most of the questions.

Here are my results:

Du har meget til fælles med:

Enhedslisten 59%

Du har en del til fælles med:

Socialistic Folkerparti 54%
Konservative 48%
Socialdemokratiet 46%
Kristendemokraterne 46%
Dansk Folkeparti 45%
Radikale Venstre 45%
Venstre 39%
Liberal Alliance 36%

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