Abortion only for rape: A law too difficult to enforce?

[For Oklahoma]

This may only be me, but I think it'd be far too difficult to actually enforce a law allowing abortion only in the case of rape. There's a high possibility of fraud and even if there is fraud and the Government investigates every single case of rape to see whether or not the person is lying, that would cost tons of money. I may be wrong. What say you?

[RIP Robert H Bork]

I'm not sure if it's too difficult to enforce, but I certainly don't support it.

[realisticidealist]

I'm not sure if it's too difficult to enforce, but I certainly don't support it.

^^

[Is JCL in mushy sappy love]

Would not support such a law. The child in such a woman should be afforded rights under the 14 h amendment.

[Proud Lieberal from Northeast]

True conservtives: protecting rights of rapists, being tough on women

[I left.]

True conservtives: protecting rights of rapists, being tough on women

That's quite a unique way of looking at it. And a pretty stupid one.

[TJ in Wisco]

I'm not sure if it's too difficult to enforce, but I certainly don't do support it.

It would make no sense at all becuase rape doesn't justify murder, but such a law would be so much better than the current state of things that it would ludicrous to oppose it from the pro-life perspective.

[greenforest32]

Yes it would be too difficult to enforce and I definitely don't support restricting abortion so it's only allowed for rape.

[GMantis]

True conservtives: protecting rights of rapists, being tough on women

That's quite a unique way of looking at it. And a pretty stupid one.

Well, there is the fact that many ultraconservative interpretation of rape do blame the women. Though I don't see how this has anything to do with the topic.

[TJ in Wisco]

I wonder if this would reduce the number of unreported rapes? It seems like there is somewhat of a campaign to get women to report being raped and some don't tell the police. If women couldn't get an abortion without reporting rape this would get more to report. Of course, plenty of false allegations would fly as well. I suspect that we would see a large number of cases where a rape is reported but no charges are filed.

As far as whether or not it is possible to enforce such a law, there are a decent number of countries where abortion is illegal with a rape exception:

http://www.pregnantpause.org/lex/world02.htm

[afleitch]

Laws against abortion are difficult to enforce full stop. Always have been.

[RIP Robert H Bork]

I'm not sure if it's too difficult to enforce, but I certainly don't do support it.

It would make no sense at all becuase rape doesn't justify murder, but such a law would be so much better than the current state of things that it would ludicrous to oppose it from the pro-life perspective.

Oh, certainly, it would be preferable to just having it legal for anything, but that doesn't mean it's a good position or one worth supporting.

True conservtives: protecting rights of rapists, being tough on women

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[CathKhan]

True conservtives: protecting rights of rapists, being tough on women

What?

[Proud Lieberal from Northeast]

True conservtives: protecting rights of rapists, being tough on women

That's quite a unique way of looking at it. And a pretty stupid one.

Well, there is the fact that many ultraconservative interpretation of rape do blame the women. Though I don't see how this has anything to do with the topic.

Shh, Franzl wants to present himself as a moderate again. Do not disturb him.

[shua]

It seems like it would. The problem wouldn't be that the government needs to investigate whether the woman is lying about the rape, since they would need to do that anyway for a criminal case, but that the investigation would need to be sped up for the exception to apply.

[Senator Napoleon]

Kalwejt's post isn't as stupid as banning abortion except in cases of rape would be.

[I left.]

True conservtives: protecting rights of rapists, being tough on women

That's quite a unique way of looking at it. And a pretty stupid one.

Well, there is the fact that many ultraconservative interpretation of rape do blame the women. Though I don't see how this has anything to do with the topic.

Shh, Franzl wants to present himself as a moderate again. Do not disturb him.

That must be a convenient excuse for you when you get called out for saying something stupid (which happens pretty often).

So do I need to explain why "true conservatives" aren't interested in protecting rapists and punishing women? Do I really need to explain the conservative argument concerning human life and everything?

Or can we just not....and agree that you were being your usual provocative trolling self?

[Senator Napoleon]

Hey now let's all be friends.

[Proud Lieberal from Northeast]

True conservtives: protecting rights of rapists, being tough on women

That's quite a unique way of looking at it. And a pretty stupid one.

Well, there is the fact that many ultraconservative interpretation of rape do blame the women. Though I don't see how this has anything to do with the topic.

Shh, Franzl wants to present himself as a moderate again. Do not disturb him.

That must be a convenient excuse for you when you get called out for saying something stupid (which happens pretty often).

So do I need to explain why "true conservatives" aren't interested in protecting rapists and punishing women? Do I really need to explain the conservative argument concerning human life and everything?

Or can we just not....and agree that you were being your usual provocative trolling self?

Oh yes, I was 100% serious in this thread

I don't think taking literally every word posted on Atlas is very good idea.

[I left.]

True conservtives: protecting rights of rapists, being tough on women

That's quite a unique way of looking at it. And a pretty stupid one.

Well, there is the fact that many ultraconservative interpretation of rape do blame the women. Though I don't see how this has anything to do with the topic.

Shh, Franzl wants to present himself as a moderate again. Do not disturb him.

That must be a convenient excuse for you when you get called out for saying something stupid (which happens pretty often).

So do I need to explain why "true conservatives" aren't interested in protecting rapists and punishing women? Do I really need to explain the conservative argument concerning human life and everything?

Or can we just not....and agree that you were being your usual provocative trolling self?

Oh yes, I was 100% serious in this thread

I don't think taking literally every word posted on Atlas is very good idea.

Sorry. To clarify on the abortion issue at hand: I've come to the conclusion that abortion on demand (with regulations concerning how late during pregnancy abortions can be performed) is the safest, sanest way of doing things.....but I was actually pro-life at one point and I still have strong moral problems with abortion, as I don't buy the fact that life begins only at birth. Therefore I'm sympathetic to pro-life people and believe their arguments about life to be valid. It's just that there's no good way to really restrict it.

[Proud Lieberal from Northeast]

True conservtives: protecting rights of rapists, being tough on women

That's quite a unique way of looking at it. And a pretty stupid one.

Well, there is the fact that many ultraconservative interpretation of rape do blame the women. Though I don't see how this has anything to do with the topic.

Shh, Franzl wants to present himself as a moderate again. Do not disturb him.

That must be a convenient excuse for you when you get called out for saying something stupid (which happens pretty often).

So do I need to explain why "true conservatives" aren't interested in protecting rapists and punishing women? Do I really need to explain the conservative argument concerning human life and everything?

Or can we just not....and agree that you were being your usual provocative trolling self?

Oh yes, I was 100% serious in this thread

I don't think taking literally every word posted on Atlas is very good idea.

Sorry. To clarify on the abortion issue at hand: I've come to the conclusion that abortion on demand (with regulations concerning how late during pregnancy abortions can be performed) is the safest, sanest way of doing things.....but I was actually pro-life at one point and I still have strong moral problems with abortion, as I don't buy the fact that life begins only at birth. Therefore I'm sympathetic to pro-life people and believe their arguments about life to be valid. It's just that there's no good way to really restrict it.

I must say I have serious problem when it's coming to late-term abortions. I think at some point fetus is simply too developed to be considered just a "potential" life. I'm not a doctor, so I'm not able to tell at which point.

Also, I'm not fan of abortions (I don't know who actually is), it should be as rare as possible but prohibiting it or heavily restricting is far worse idea.

[Is JCL in mushy sappy love]

True conservtives: protecting rights of rapists, being tough on women

That is not the case. It's be tough on rapists, help in the woman's healing, and provide the most vital alternative of adoption for the saving of that life which begins at conception. The freedom message's most central tenant is the recognizition of the sacredness of life and the need to protect that.

[Proud Lieberal from Northeast]

True conservtives: protecting rights of rapists, being tough on women

That is not the case. It's be tough on rapists, help in the woman's healing, and provide the most vital alternative of adoption for the saving of that life which begins at conception. The freedom message's most central tenant is the recognizition of the sacredness of life and the need to protect that.

I guess you didn't understand this post and it's purpose. Not suprisingly.

[afleitch]

Sorry. To clarify on the abortion issue at hand: I've come to the conclusion that abortion on demand (with regulations concerning how late during pregnancy abortions can be performed) is the safest, sanest way of doing things.....but I was actually pro-life at one point and I still have strong moral problems with abortion, as I don't buy the fact that life begins only at birth. Therefore I'm sympathetic to pro-life people and believe their arguments about life to be valid. It's just that there's no good way to really restrict it.

This^^^^

Abortions will always take place regardless of what restrictions take place; they would just happen to be secretive, private and in all likelyhood, dangerous. The same is true of self enduced miscarriage.

Of course one of the key ways to reduce the number of abortions is to have comprehensive safe sex and relationship education and wide access to contraceptives. But let's not go nuts...

[Gustaf]

I never understood that position. If you think abortion is murder, the rape wouldn't make it ok. And if you have moral qualms but think it can be allowed given circumstances it doesn't make sense to stop only at rape.