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« on: August 31, 2011, 06:31:29 am »

Apparently, confusion about a candidate's religion isn't a phenomenon unique to Obama:

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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2011, 07:43:37 am »
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How can anyone with a modicum of knowledge about Michele Bachmann think she's Jewish?
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« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2011, 08:02:43 am »
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That story smells like BS to me.
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« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2011, 09:23:00 am »
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How can anyone with a modicum of knowledge about Michele Bachmann think she's Jewish?

The last name.

I once worked for a candidate in the mid 1980's named Holtzman, staunch Catholic, blond hair, blue eyes. She did not live in a Jewish neighborhood.  She was out campaigning and somebody said to her, "I'm not voting for you; you're a JAP."  She had never heard the term before and said, "I'm sorry, but I'm not Japanese."

We actually had to figure out how to handle it, because the population was about 2/3 Catholic and I thing less than 3% Jewish.

It is quite common, unfortunately.

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« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2011, 09:34:29 am »
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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2011, 09:44:24 am »
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How can anyone with a modicum of knowledge about Michele Bachmann think she's Jewish?

The last name.

I once worked for a candidate in the mid 1980's named Holtzman, staunch Catholic, blond hair, blue eyes. She did not live in a Jewish neighborhood.  She was out campaigning and somebody said to her, "I'm not voting for you; you're a JAP."  She had never heard the term before and said, "I'm sorry, but I'm not Japanese."

We actually had to figure out how to handle it, because the population was about 2/3 Catholic and I thing less than 3% Jewish.

It is quite common, unfortunately.


More proof about how so many Americans have absolutely no clue.
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« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2011, 09:55:11 am »
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Welcome to America! In America, you are entitled to vote, or donate, to the candidate of your choice for whatever reason you choose, or no reason whatsoever. If the irrational preferences of some Jewish Republican donors are against Romney, it is no reason for him to complain. It's not like he hasn't ever tried to raise money among fellow Mormons  for similiarly irrational reasons.
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« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2011, 09:57:43 am »
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How can anyone with a modicum of knowledge about Michele Bachmann think she's Jewish?

Last names ending in "-man" are often Jewish, although names ending in "-mann" with 2 n's as in Bachmann usually are not. I've experienced similar confusion firsthand, although usually not in the form of people giving me money.
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« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2011, 10:18:00 am »
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Last names ending in "-man" are often Jewish, although names ending in "-mann" with 2 n's as in Bachmann usually are not. I've experienced similar confusion firsthand, although usually not in the form of people giving me money.

I know that, but if someone was going to give money to a candidate, surely they'd know a little bit about the candidate? And if someone knew a little bit about Michele Bachmann, I think they'd be able to infer she's not Jewish.
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« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2011, 10:43:44 am »
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Welcome to America! In America, you are entitled to vote, or donate, to the candidate of your choice for whatever reason you choose, or no reason whatsoever. If the irrational preferences of some Jewish Republican donors are against Romney, it is no reason for him to complain. It's not like he hasn't ever tried to raise money among fellow Mormons  for similiarly irrational reasons.

You're completely missing the point (as usual).  We don't understand how anyone could think Michelle Bachmann was Jewish, not complaining about the preferences of Jewish donors.
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« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2011, 10:47:16 am »
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What's a JAP?

"Jewish American Princess," a stereotype suggesting that Jewish girls in the US are spoiled brats. 
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« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2011, 10:50:09 am »
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What's a JAP?

"Jewish-American Princess" (no, I don't endorse the term), which I understood referred to a 'high-maintenance' middle-class young woman who had a bloated sense of self, superficially attractive but not worth the trouble.

Draw your own conclusions about culture, religion, economics, and feminism.  

Michele Bachmann is not Jewish, as should be obvious from her un-Jewish religious beliefs and her un-Jewish contempt for intellectuality... but she is not worth the trouble, and for reasons other than spending more money on cosmetics than she does on food.
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« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2011, 04:03:17 pm »
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« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2011, 04:38:30 pm »
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What's a JAP?

"Jewish American Princess," a fairly derogatory term.  There were some references to it in literature and television in the 1970's and 1980's.  If you were under 40-45 at that time, you probably heard it.

Interestingly, Bachman did work one summer on a kibbutz and is fairly pro-Israel.  http://tcjewfolk.com/michele-bachmann-israel/  It might be more mutual interests.

I don't endorse the term "JAP," or "Jewfolk," either.
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What's a JAP?

"Jewish-American Princess" (no, I don't endorse the term), which I understood referred to a 'high-maintenance' middle-class young woman who had a bloated sense of self, superficially attractive but not worth the trouble.

Draw your own conclusions about culture, religion, economics, and feminism.  

Michele Bachmann is not Jewish, as should be obvious from her un-Jewish religious beliefs

Michele Bachmann's religious beliefs are correctly characterized for what they are, "Christian," and, not for what they are not, "un-Jewish."

Yes, it is rather "obvious" that Michele Bachmann is a believer in Jesus Christ.






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« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2011, 11:58:47 pm »
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Michele Bachmann's religious beliefs are correctly characterized for what they are, "Christian," and, not for what they are not, "un-Jewish."

Yes, it is rather "obvious" that Michele Bachmann is a believer in Jesus Christ.



Bachman was very upfront about her religious views in that article.  Like many Christians, she realizes that Christianity has its origins in Judaism. 

1.  She has a Jewish sounding surname.

2.  She is very pro-Israel.
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Yes, it is rather "obvious" that Michele Bachmann is a believer in Jesus Christ.


Michele Bachmann is Christian in the same way Osama Bin Laden is muslim.
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« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2011, 07:27:06 am »
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1.  She has a Jewish sounding surname.

Not especially.
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« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2011, 07:54:54 am »
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1.  She has a Jewish sounding surname.

Not especially.

In the US, it is.  Many "Jewish" surnames are either German or Eastern European in the US.
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« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2011, 08:41:21 am »
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1.  She has a Jewish sounding surname.

Not especially.

In the US, it is.  Many "Jewish" surnames are either German or Eastern European in the US.

On the other side, many surnames "can be Jewish". BROWER is an example, and I have no Jewish ancestry before 1800; the Brower ancestor that came to the New World in the 1640s was a member of the Dutch Reformed Church. 

The first Jews of New Amsterdam almost all had Spanish or Portuguese surnames.
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« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2011, 08:41:40 am »
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1.  She has a Jewish sounding surname.

Not especially.

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« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2011, 09:11:07 am »
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1.  She has a Jewish sounding surname.

Not especially.

In the US, it is.  Many "Jewish" surnames are either German or Eastern European in the US.

On the other side, many surnames "can be Jewish". BROWER is an example, and I have no Jewish ancestry before 1800; the Brower ancestor that came to the New World in the 1640s was a member of the Dutch Reformed Church. 

The first Jews of New Amsterdam almost all had Spanish or Portuguese surnames.

Well, there were Jews in the colonial period, the Solis-Cohen family in Phila, for example, but most of the Jewish population of the US have ancestors that came here in the 1800's, generally from the Germanies or Eastern Europe.

As pointed out, I know people with the surname Holtzman, Abrams, Bergman, Jacobs, Rosensteel, and Rosenberger, none of whom are Jewish, nor have Jewish ancestors (and my old girlfriend, who was Jewish, had the surname Brown).  Many people assume, from the name, that they are Jewish.

I can see people making that assumption about Bachman.  Coupled with Bachman's fairly pro-Israel stance, and that she worked on a kibbutz in Israel one summer, I can sort of understand why someone might jump to that conclusion.
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« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2011, 09:14:47 am »
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Michele Bachmann's religious beliefs are correctly characterized for what they are, "Christian," and, not for what they are not, "un-Jewish."

Yes, it is rather "obvious" that Michele Bachmann is a believer in Jesus Christ.


Michele Bachmann is Christian in the same way Osama Bin Laden is muslim.

Only in the sense that Jimmy Carter is a Christian in the same way Osama Bin Laden was a Muslim: their religious beliefs were sincere.
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