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« on: August 31, 2011, 09:40:16 pm »
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No thread on this, despite the news broken by Al Jazeera?
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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2011, 09:44:52 pm »
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Oh this? http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/08/2011831151258728747.html

Well how much chance did he have of surviving anyway?
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« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2011, 09:58:43 pm »
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Geez... I hope this doesn't blow up so badly that Kucinich decides not to even run. I wouldn't want to risk the Democrats nominating a non-insane, competent candidate with some chance of winning a swing district.
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« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2011, 10:06:44 pm »
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Doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
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The only thing that is certain is that he's a douche! What he will infract is uncetain.
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« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2011, 10:18:32 pm »
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I know Kucinich is supposed to be the progressive Ron Paul, but he's actually a flip flopping idiot. Exhibit #1; The health care bill, which I support.
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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2011, 11:02:54 pm »
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This looks like Libyan internal spinning of a request for information, not a genuine offer to help Gaddafi.  Kucinich's stupid move here was dealing with Gaddafi at all and hoping to gain useful/truthful information from him.
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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2011, 11:17:24 am »
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Quote from: Beet on August 31, 2011, 10:18:32 pm
I know Kucinich is supposed to be the progressive Ron Paul, but he's actually a flip flopping idiot. Exhibit #1; The health care bill, which I support.

idiot?  he is of limited value from a charisma-leadership point of view and is no sort of intellectual beacon for the liberal-left, either, but clearly is preferable to, what, all but 5 or 6 Congresspeople?
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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2011, 11:19:54 am »
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and on "flip-flopping", it's best to assume any small-d democratic politician believes in absolutely nothing and then you go from there.
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2011, 11:21:08 am »
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Quote from: Napoleon on August 31, 2011, 10:06:44 pm
Doesn't seem like a big deal to me.

Yea clearly actions like these would solve our foreign policy mistakes!
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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2011, 11:24:48 am »
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Supporting Bashir al-Assad while he mows down his people in the streets is...damn.
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« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2011, 11:28:09 am »
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Quote from: The Mikado on September 02, 2011, 11:24:48 am
Supporting Bashir al-Assad while he mows down his people in the streets is...

morally relativist?
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« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2011, 11:29:39 am »
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Quote from: © Boss Tweed on September 02, 2011, 11:28:09 am
Quote from: The Mikado on September 02, 2011, 11:24:48 am
Supporting Bashir al-Assad while he mows down his people in the streets is...

morally relativist?

Oh, great. You're back with the nonsense...
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And you're a fucking asshole. How about you try actually contributing something to a debate at some point, or are you too busy kissing Rick Santorum's ass?
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« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2011, 11:33:53 am »
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Rosa had her breasts cut off.  Then they cut into her chest and took out her heart.  The men had their arms broken, their testicles cut off, and their eyes poked out.  They were killed by slitting their throats, and pulling the tongue out through the slit.  -survivor's account of Contra attack on Sandinista cooperative farm, 1984.  brought to you by Ronald Wilson Reagan
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« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2011, 07:55:12 pm »
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Considering that Reagan is dead, and even if he wasn't would have nothing to do with any current events in Libya or Syria, I have a tough time seeing how that's even remotely relevant. Not that the "two wrongs make a right" logic would work otherwise of course.
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« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2011, 08:37:47 pm »
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Quote from: © Boss Tweed on September 02, 2011, 11:33:53 am
Rosa had her breasts cut off.  Then they cut into her chest and took out her heart.  The men had their arms broken, their testicles cut off, and their eyes poked out.  They were killed by slitting their throats, and pulling the tongue out through the slit.  -survivor's account of Contra attack on Sandinista cooperative farm, 1984.  brought to you by Ronald Wilson Reagan

Your point?
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« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2011, 07:35:06 am »
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Quote from: As Afterwards The Words Still Ring on September 02, 2011, 07:55:12 pm
Considering that Reagan is dead, and even if he wasn't would have nothing to do with any current events in Libya or Syria, I have a tough time seeing how that's even remotely relevant. Not that the "two wrongs make a right" logic would work otherwise of course.

a mere illustration that support for US-sponsored violence requires a healthy dose of moral relativism; and that those who would back a figure such as RWR shouldn't dismiss blood and guts out of hand when them come at them from the other angle, if their line of argument is to make it past an opening paragraph.

I don't think this violates two wrongs make a right.  I'm not much claiming anything is right.
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« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2011, 07:51:54 am »
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If Boss Tweed's (cool name btw) poorly communicated point was that both parties give us the same atrocious foreign policy,  I agree.
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Quote from: bgwah on April 20, 2013, 12:46:53 am
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« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2011, 10:53:54 am »
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Mikado isn't exactly a fan or supporter of Reagan.
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« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2011, 12:13:37 pm »
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Quote from: The Mikado on September 02, 2011, 08:37:47 pm
Quote from: © Boss Tweed on September 02, 2011, 11:33:53 am
Rosa had her breasts cut off.  Then they cut into her chest and took out her heart.  The men had their arms broken, their testicles cut off, and their eyes poked out.  They were killed by slitting their throats, and pulling the tongue out through the slit.  -survivor's account of Contra attack on Sandinista cooperative farm, 1984.  brought to you by Ronald Wilson Reagan

Your point?

Dude, it's Tweed.
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« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2011, 12:15:57 pm »
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Quote from: © Boss Tweed on September 03, 2011, 07:35:06 am

a mere illustration that support for US-sponsored violence requires a healthy dose of moral relativism; and that those who would back a figure such as RWR shouldn't dismiss blood and guts out of hand when them come at them from the other angle, if their line of argument is to make it past an opening paragraph.

I don't think this violates two wrongs make a right.  I'm not much claiming anything is right.

Well, when you find someone that backed murderous Nicaraguan death squads or the Reagan Administration, you can use that point on that guy, I guess.  Still isn't a very good argument against ordinary people.
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