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« on: September 01, 2011, 09:53:25 am »
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1968:
George Wallace runs for the Democrats primaries...and wins! He's the nominee...versus Richard Nixon...as it could have been?
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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2011, 10:51:19 am »
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McCarthy/McGovern indenpendent ticket recieves endorsment from Happy Warrior, Wallace wins only Deep South.
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2011, 08:29:13 pm »
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Let's assume, say, a Nixon/Agnew vs. Wallace/Connally vs. McCarthy/McGovern...


Former Vice-President Richard M Nixon (R-NY)/Governor Spiro T Agnew (R-MD) 370 electoral votes
Former Governor George Wallace (D-AL)/Governor John B Connally (D-TX) 133 electoral votes
Senator Eugene McCarthy (FL-MN)/Senator George McGovern (I-SD) 35 electoral votes
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2011, 11:26:07 am »
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Let's assume, say, a Nixon/Agnew vs. Wallace/Connally vs. McCarthy/McGovern...


Former Vice-President Richard M Nixon (R-NY)/Governor Spiro T Agnew (R-MD) 370 electoral votes
Former Governor George Wallace (D-AL)/Governor John B Connally (D-TX) 133 electoral votes
Senator Eugene McCarthy (FL-MN)/Senator George McGovern (I-SD) 35 electoral votes
I don't know if South Dakota would go for McGovern, but it's a reasonable map besides.
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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2011, 11:44:58 am »
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Let's assume, say, a Nixon/Agnew vs. Wallace/Connally vs. McCarthy/McGovern...


Former Vice-President Richard M Nixon (R-NY)/Governor Spiro T Agnew (R-MD) 370 electoral votes
Former Governor George Wallace (D-AL)/Governor John B Connally (D-TX) 133 electoral votes
Senator Eugene McCarthy (FL-MN)/Senator George McGovern (I-SD) 35 electoral votes

Connally would never ran with Wallace.
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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2011, 11:46:17 am »
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Let's assume, say, a Nixon/Agnew vs. Wallace/Connally vs. McCarthy/McGovern...


Former Vice-President Richard M Nixon (R-NY)/Governor Spiro T Agnew (R-MD) 370 electoral votes
Former Governor George Wallace (D-AL)/Governor John B Connally (D-TX) 133 electoral votes
Senator Eugene McCarthy (FL-MN)/Senator George McGovern (I-SD) 35 electoral votes

Connally would never ran with Wallace.

Any other reasonable runningmate then?
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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2011, 12:04:34 pm »
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Let's assume, say, a Nixon/Agnew vs. Wallace/Connally vs. McCarthy/McGovern...


Former Vice-President Richard M Nixon (R-NY)/Governor Spiro T Agnew (R-MD) 370 electoral votes
Former Governor George Wallace (D-AL)/Governor John B Connally (D-TX) 133 electoral votes
Senator Eugene McCarthy (FL-MN)/Senator George McGovern (I-SD) 35 electoral votes

Connally would never ran with Wallace.

Any other reasonable runningmate then?

Lester Maddox, maybe?
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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2011, 12:10:56 pm »
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That would fit... The only real shift I think I'd see would be Texas and Michigan, and I think Texas could still go Wallace, although be more of a 40% margin.
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2011, 12:18:42 pm »
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That would fit... The only real shift I think I'd see would be Texas and Michigan, and I think Texas could still go Wallace, although be more of a 40% margin.
Meaning that Michigan goes for Nixon?

I also think that Georgia might vote more heavily for Wallace.
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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2011, 09:45:02 pm »

Okay, a bit of a long-shot, but what about labor leader David J. McDonald for Vice President?
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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2011, 07:17:51 am »
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Without Independents, three scenarios:

The first (2/3 of Humphrey's votes to Wallace, 1/3 to Nixon):



And a second, with Wallace that succeds to conserves a largest part of traditionals Democrats voters (3/4 of Humphrey's votes to Wallace, 1/4 to Nixon):



A third, a combinations of the two previous, which Wallace conserves more Democratic voters in the more conservatives States and lost more votes in the most Liberals States:

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« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2011, 12:41:25 am »
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without a major third party candidate: 429 -109
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« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2011, 02:29:57 am »
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Let's assume, say, a Nixon/Agnew vs. Wallace/Connally vs. McCarthy/McGovern...

Former Vice-President Richard M Nixon (R-NY)/Governor Spiro T Agnew (R-MD) 370 electoral votes[/color]
Former Governor George Wallace (D-AL)/Governor John B Connally (D-TX) 133 electoral votes
Senator Eugene McCarthy (FL-MN)/Senator George McGovern (I-SD) 35 electoral votes

Just a note, Nixon's state of residence in 1968 was California.  In the 1972 election Nixon's state of residence was New York.
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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2011, 12:54:39 pm »
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Let's assume, say, a Nixon/Agnew vs. Wallace/Connally vs. McCarthy/McGovern...

Former Vice-President Richard M Nixon (R-NY)/Governor Spiro T Agnew (R-MD) 370 electoral votes[/color]
Former Governor George Wallace (D-AL)/Governor John B Connally (D-TX) 133 electoral votes
Senator Eugene McCarthy (FL-MN)/Senator George McGovern (I-SD) 35 electoral votes

Just a note, Nixon's state of residence in 1968 was California.  In the 1972 election Nixon's state of residence was New York.

I beg to differ. One of Nixon's potential VP choices in 1968 was Robert Finch. He was at the time Lieutenant Governor of California. The reason it was possible without losing the potential of getting California's electoral votes was that Nixon lived in New York at the time. He had already been living there since before 1968, working for a New York law firm.
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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2011, 08:09:33 pm »
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Former Vice-President Richard M Nixon (R-NY)/Governor Spiro T Agnew (R-MD) 370 electoral votes
Former Governor George Wallace (D-AL)/Governor John B Connally (D-TX) 133 electoral votes
Senator Eugene McCarthy (FL-MN)/Senator George McGovern (I-SD) 35 electoral votes
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Just a note, Nixon's state of residence in 1968 was California.  In the 1972 election Nixon's state of residence was New York.
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I beg to differ. One of Nixon's potential VP choices in 1968 was Robert Finch. He was at the time Lieutenant Governor of California. The reason it was possible without losing the potential of getting California's electoral votes was that Nixon lived in New York at the time. He had already been living there since before 1968, working for a New York law firm.
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Yes, my apologies.  Nixon was in fact resident in New York in 1968 as you have said.  He was practicing law in New York at the time.  I got the 1968 and 1972 elections mixed up.  Nixon was resident in New York in 1968 and in California in 1972 and of course in 1960.

Some time ago in fact I posted a scenario with the question if Nixon would still have won the 1968 election if Robert Finch was his running mate.  I believe as well I stated in that post that this would not be a problem as Nixon was a New York resident at the 1968 election.

In The Making of the President 1968 White states that Nixon had in fact offered the Vice Presidential nomination to Finch but Finch turned it down as he believed he was not ready at the time to become the VP nominee.

So yes, you are correct.
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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2011, 10:13:37 am »
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If George Wallace was the Democrats nominee the election result would
VicePresident Richard Nixon/ Governor Spiro Agnew .... 85
Governor George Wallace/ Senator George McGovern ... 445

To get this amount I combined Wallace's numbers and Humphrey's numbers in 1968.
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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2011, 05:40:57 pm »
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If George Wallace was the Democrats nominee the election result would
VicePresident Richard Nixon/ Governor Spiro Agnew .... 85
Governor George Wallace/ Senator George McGovern ... 445

To get this amount I combined Wallace's numbers and Humphrey's numbers in 1968.

Yes, because Wallace, the Southern Segregationist is guaranteed the Northern liberal vote in places like Massachusets, New York, Minnesota, and Washington DC!
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« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2011, 08:30:08 pm »
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Having the anti-war  liberal democrat George McGovern was supposed to undo the damage in the north from George Wallace's segregationist views .  I know that McGovern would have been wary to join Wallace, but I doubt if he would have supported Nixon.
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« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2011, 09:15:39 pm »
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Having the anti-war  liberal democrat George McGovern was supposed to undo the damage in the north from George Wallace's segregationist views .  I know that McGovern would have been wary to join Wallace, but I doubt if he would have supported Nixon.

Wary is not quite the word I would use to describe how McGovern would feel about supporting Wallace.  The word abhorrence comes to mind.
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« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2011, 09:29:01 pm »
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Having the anti-war  liberal democrat George McGovern was supposed to undo the damage in the north from George Wallace's segregationist views .  I know that McGovern would have been wary to join Wallace, but I doubt if he would have supported Nixon.

Wary is not quite the word I would use to describe how McGovern would feel about supporting Wallace.  The word abhorrence comes to mind.

Yeah, and I believe McGovern would rather run third party or not endorse anybody than have to choose between those two choices.
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