Winfield/Jbrase for Atlasia........WINFIELD CONCESSION

[Lincoln Republican]

I am running for President of Atlasia.

The cornerstone of my campaign will be a policy that will set the tone for democratic reform in this nation, a policy that protects the most fundamental expression of democracy, the vote.

The Vote Sanctity Act, the groundbreaking legislation that as Governor I pioneered in the Northeast Region, would be of great benefit to the entire nation of Atlasia.

The Vote Sanctity Act simply disallows any editing of a vote once it has been cast.  Therefore, no manipulation or invalidation of a vote can occur.

This act has been in effect in the Northeast for some time now and our elections run smoothly, free of any possiblity whatsoever of any manipulation or invalidation.  This should be the case with voting throughout Atlasia.

The will of the people of Atlasia must be recognized, free from vote tampering of any kind.

We are well aware of the debilitating effect and divisiveness that corruption can have on a nation.

Atlasia must never again be allowed to wallow in the mires of Invaligate.  

I appeal to Atlasians from coast to coast to restore true democracy to this nation, and to support me in ensuring voting equity for this republic.    

[Lincoln Republican]

I'm very interested in seeing/hearing what your plans are

Thank you for your interest Mr. President.

Although the Vote Sanctity Act is the cornerstone of my campaign, as I believe that a voting system free of any opportunities for corruption, manipulation, or invalidation, is absolutely fundamental and critical to the smooth operation of a democracy, I of course have other policies and programs to move forward, which I will be discussing during the course of the campaign.   

[Lincoln Republican]

Is there anyway to prove that someone edited their vote within the first two minutes, since it doesn't record that at the bottom of the post?

If nothing is recorded at the bottom of the post, then for purposes of the official record, there is no editing that has taken place.  Besides, it would be impossible for someone to see there is a vote they want changed or invalidated, send a PM to someone pressuring them to change or invalidate their vote, have the recipient see they have a PM and read it, have the recipient change or invalidate their vote, all within two minutes.

 

[Lincoln Republican]

I will be keeping a close eye on you candidacy. 

OH OH! 

[Lincoln Republican]

The Movement does not approve.

Of democratic reform?

[Lincoln Republican]

This campaign has my deepest respect. I wish you all the best and an entertaining election campaign.

Thank you ZuWo.  Much appreciated.

[Lincoln Republican]

Is there anyway to prove that someone edited their vote within the first two minutes, since it doesn't record that at the bottom of the post?

If nothing is recorded at the bottom of the post, then for purposes of the official record, there is no editing that has taken place.  Besides, it would be impossible for someone to see there is a vote they want changed or invalidated, send a PM to someone pressuring them to change or invalidate their vote, have the recipient see they have a PM and read it, have the recipient change or invalidate their vote, all within two minutes.

Then you aren't eliminating the modification period, just reducing it to two minutes. And if all you can do is reduce it, then such a change should take into account slower connection speeds, because otherwise those with faster connections will always be able to modify and those with slower ones may get screwed out of their votes by a few seconds.

If there is any editing at the bottom of the post, the vote is invalid.  I think that should be clear.  This is not rocket science.  Anyone is free to nit pick all they want.  Everyone can use the preview button before posting. 

You make the editing time two minutes, then you would say the editing time should be three or four minutes, because some connections are slower than others.

Then, before you know it, you are back to the point where votes can be manipulated by others, and to where voters can be persuaded to invalidate their votes. 

[Lincoln Republican]

Perhaps you shouldn't assume stuff. Preview often jams my connection.


Winfield, the problem here is you are using the wrong approach to protect the almighty vote and in so doing you are putting the innocent voter who just happens to not be able to afford a higher speed internet connection at an unfair disadvantage when it comes to voting. I have a notoriously crappy internet connection. My posts get messed up all the time because of it. Usually the times when it does this, is also the worst time to be quickly navigating pages (delays modification), or trying to use an interactive feature (Like preview). Do I just not vote if this happens to occur when I try to vote?

If you want to prevent intimidation, go after the intimidator, not the voter.

Yankee, thank you for your input.  I take your concerns seriously.

Like most any bill presented before a legislative body, the Vote Sanctity Act may have amendments made to it in the Senate and voted upon by the Senators.  Perhaps one of the Senators would present an amendment to this bill proposing editing be permitted up to two minutes after the original voting post has been made.  In any legislative body, many bills become legislation through amendments and compromise.

And I agree with you, if it can be proven that one has been involved in intimidation, they should by all means be prosecuted under the law. 

[Lincoln Republican]

ENDORSED

I know we've had our differences in the past, but Thank you Mechaman.  

Very much appreciated.  Very much indeed.

This proves that Atlasians from all across the spectrum can unite for a common cause.

[Lincoln Republican]

ENDORSED

I might as well make it official now

Thank you very much ats.  Your endorsement is much appreciated.

[Lincoln Republican]

You have my full support.

Thank you very much Dallasfan.  Much appreciated. 

[Lincoln Republican]

I am most pleased to announce that Senator Jbrase of the great state of Texas has accepted my invitation to become my running mate as the Vice Presidential candidate.

Thank you Jbrase for joining me on the ticket.   

[Lincoln Republican]

Wow an impressive ticket I must say.

Thank you Senator.  Nice of you to say. 

[Lincoln Republican]

Thank you Governor Winfield for having me on the ticket.

Senator, it is an honor for me to have you on the ticket.

[Lincoln Republican]

TPP - Outside Voter Sanctity, what priorities do you have if you are elected President?  

Cincinnatus, that is a very good question, and thank  you for asking it.

As I am sure you can appreciate, I will at this time not be delving into specifics as the campaign has just begun.

During the course of the campaign, I shall be discussing policies I believe to be of importance, priorities I have, and my vision for Atlasia.

[Lincoln Republican]

I might be willing to support you, but I voted against such a reform in the Assembly, & therefore do not believe I should go back on my record. However, I wish you luck.

Then again, my reasons for voting against the MidEast reform might be different than voting for or against on a national scale. Nevertheless, good luck.

I can respect your decision.  As far as I am concerned, when one follows their conscience, then for them, that is the right decision.

And it's true, we do not know at this point how this issue may play out on a national scale.

[Lincoln Republican]

Endorsed!

Thank you so much.  Your endorsement is most appreciated.

This goes to show that pro Romney and anti Romney supporters can get together for a common cause. 

[Lincoln Republican]

If anyone wishes to use the Winfield/Jbrase banner in their signature for the duration of the campaign, please feel free to do so.

After all, we have nothing against FREE PUBLICITY! 

[Lincoln Republican]

Jbrase is responsible for creating our very attractive campaign banner.

For those who like it, thank Senator Jbrase.

For those who don't like it, talk to me, and I'll deal with you.   

[Lincoln Republican]

In response to President Polnut, Speaker Cincinnatus, and Atlasians everywhere.

I have been asked, naturally enough, besides the Vote Sanctity Act, what other issues do I believe in and wish to introduce during the campaign.

I will discuss this evening issues that directly impact on the actual simulation itself.

Issues on various other policy matters will be discussed later.

These issues are not new, I am sure, but they are issues that I, and clearly others, would like to see.

As President, I would like to see discussions take place, perhaps on a regular basis, between the President and the regional Governors, to discuss issues and interests of common concern, and to get the Governors input on how national issues impact their regions.  I believe that strong regions make for a strong nation.

I would like to see a continuation in the Senate of honest, meaningful, and frank discussion and debate.  I would like to see personal animosities kept to a minimum and personal attacks avoided.  I am not saying there are personal attacks, but nonetheless, they should be avoided.

I realize there are varying and competing ideologies amongst lawmakers, and this is what makes for and interesting and active Senate and for lively debate.  I am hopeful this will continue.

I believe it is up to the President to be an example of leadership, direction, and cooperation.

Above all, I want to see all involved ENJOY THE SIMULATION AND HAVE FUN!

Thank you my fellow Atlasians for taking the time to listen to me, even though the hour is late.

[Lincoln Republican]

Winfield, I wonder if you have any ideas for reforming the Vice Presidency, an issue that was debated many times without any results.

Thank you for the question Kalwejt. 

Certainly the current responsibilities of the Vice President are important and essential and clearly those aspects of the Vice Presidency must, and will, remain intact.

Now, in answer to your question, perhaps we should begin by asking ourselves a question.

Since this is an issue that has been debated many times without results, we should ask
why, after all this discussion and debate, have no conclusions been reached to enhance or reform the office of the Vice Presidency.  Therein may lie some answers to this conundrum.   As I believe you were at one time a participant in these discussions, reforming the Vice Presidency, perhaps you could give your analysis as to why these discussions ended in failure and seemed to have hit a roadblock.

I don't know that the Vice Presidency needs reforming so much as being enhanced. 

Myself, I believe the Vice President must be a critical and fully functioning member of the administration, and a participant in decision making.

The Vice President could be assigned by the President to head up task forces for the purpose of determining the scope and impact of legislation the President wishes to introduce for debate and vote by the Senate before it is introduced.  This would be of considerable assistance to the President.

The Vice President could propose bills of his or her own to the President that he or she would like to see enacted.

[Lincoln Republican]

An idea I think would be interesting for the vice presidency that I have been thinking about lately is having the office elected separate from the Presidential race, and allow the VP to introduce legislation.

That is one of the qualities I like, among many others, about Senator Jbrase as my running mate.  He is an innovative, original, and independent thinker, qualities in a Vice President that would be of great benefit to all of Atlasia.   

[Lincoln Republican]

An idea I think would be interesting for the vice presidency that I have been thinking about lately is having the office elected separate from the Presidential race

You're stealing my ideas

I've noticed a lot of confusion over election law during the last presidential election. Including among SoFA Earl and DSoFA Inks.

We vote for tickets here. Not individuals. Tickets declare to run for election, too. Not individuals.

now... thing I've been thinking about...
rather than get SoFAs to obey the law again... how about we change the law? Hold a vote for President and a vote for Vice President? Isn't that friendlier to the voter, too?

The issue was discussed once before in Atlasia, years ago. Then it went away as completely as the secret ballot idea.
If I wrote up a Constitutional Amendment to elect President and Vice President separately in the future, is there a chance it would pass?

Kalwejt, did you give Trondheim the idea back in 2008 to hold separate elections for President and Vice President?  He was using this idea almost three years ago.

Trondheim also states this issue was discussed once before in Atlasia, years ago, evidently meaning years before 2008.

[Lincoln Republican]

Kalwejt, did you give Trondheim the idea back in 2008 to hold separate elections for President and Vice President?  He was using this idea almost three years ago.

Trondheim also states this issue was discussed once before in Atlasia, years ago, evidently meaning years before 2008.

Obviously, I was around in 2008

I'm impressed by time you took to dig an ancient post from almost three years ago.

You were around in 2008, but that was not the question.  The question is, did you give Trondheim this idea in 2008?

I am simply asking a question.  Please do not get offended.

[Lincoln Republican]

You were around in 2008

Um, no

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So to bring this matter to a conclusion, the answer to my question if you gave Trondheim the idea in 2008 that the President and Vice President should be elected separtely, is no.

Unless, of course, Trondheim read your mind in 2008, and I am not ruling out that possibility.