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« Reply #50 on: September 27, 2011, 12:13:15 am »
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Probably, Bgwah.


But I am kind of mad that no one commented on this:

In the previous thread, President Polnut preposed offering incentives to encourage people to retrain.

The current text allows people to remain on UI while doing that, but it doesn't really offer any incentives to do so. And it runs the risk of the person training for a nonexistant job.

This is an idea in the economics board I ran across:

4) Georgia Works. Georgians receiving unemployment benefits are matched with employers who are seeking employees and who agree to provide up to eight weeks of training. The employers do not pay the workers, who work no more than 24 hours a week; instead workers continue to receive their unemployment checks and a $240 stipend to help cover transportation, child care and other expenses.

We could include an incentive coupled with some form of employer matching to ensure they have a job waiting for them at the other end.


Probably be one more thing to address in a separate bill, later. Probably be more efficient to do it that way as well.
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« Reply #51 on: September 28, 2011, 05:53:54 pm »
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I offer the following Amendment:

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Section 1, Clause 4, subclause C is stricken


No sense creating an agency for a program we removed from the text (parenthood insurance).
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« Reply #52 on: September 28, 2011, 08:44:45 pm »
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« Reply #53 on: September 29, 2011, 10:29:24 pm »
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« Reply #54 on: September 29, 2011, 10:34:50 pm »
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Damn it, there are more problems in Sections 1, 2, and 3. Both from leftovers of the parenthold Insurance thing, and the health care administration that won't be needed as we are keeping the current systems.

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« Reply #55 on: September 29, 2011, 11:11:16 pm »
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We need to remove one more agency from Section 1, Clause 4. And then take every reference to "The five agencies" and instead say "the three agencies" in Sections 2 and 3. I can have an amendment by tomorrow sometime.
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« Reply #56 on: September 30, 2011, 10:05:44 pm »
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I offer the following amendment to the text:

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Section 1: Administration

1. The NSSA shall be administered by a deliberative body called Superior Council.
2. The Superior Council of the NSSA shall be composed of 12 members, of which:
a) Four members shall be delegates of workers. They shall be democratically elected by every working or actively unemployed (see below) person. Labor Unions shall be responsible of organizing fair elections regularly.
b) Four members shall be delegates of employers, designed by the organizations representing them.
c) Four members shall be representatives of the Federal Government, designed by the Department of Internal Affairs.
3. The Superior Council of the NSSA shall elect a presiding officer, adopt an internal ruling, and decide the frequency and the duration of their sessions.
4. The NSSA shall be divided into five three separate Administrations, called:
a) The Health Insurance Administration
b) The Unemployment Insurance Administration
c) The Old Age Insurance Administration
d) The Minor Insurances Administration
5. The institutions administering each of previously cited Administration shall be designed by the Superior Council of the NSSA through procedures specified by it.

Section 2: Budget

1. The NSSA shall have its proper budget, independent from the Federal budget.
2. The budget of the NSSA shall serve to ensure the proper functioning of the Agency and the fulfillment of the tasks devolved to it through proper legislation.
3. The budget of the NSSA shall be managed by the Superior Council provided that its administration respects subsection 2. The Department of Internal Affairs is in charge of ensuring the respect of subsection 2.
4. Each of the five three Administrations of the NSSA shall have its proper budget, which shall be a part of the global NSSA budget.
5. The budget of an Administration of the NSSA shall serve exclusively to fulfill the Administration's social task, by ensuring the compensation of persons as specified by legislation. The budget of an Administration of the NSSA shall be financed through the contributions of people eligible to the insurance program each Administration is responsible of.
6. The budget of the NSSA shall also comprise its Functioning funds. Said funds shall serve to ensure the proper functioning of the NSSA, by paying for the necessary infrastructures and remunerating its employees. Said funds shall be managed by the Superior Council of the NSSA.
7. The Federal Government shall be responsible for providing the Functioning funds to the NSSA. The Department of Internal Affairs shall be able to decide the amount of those funds. The Functioning funds devolved to the NSSA shall be subject to a vote in the Senate.
8. If the budget of one or more of the five three administrations of the NSSA present a surplus, such surplus shall be attributed to a Balanced Budget Fund managed by the Superior Council of the NSSA.
9. If the budget of one or more of the five three administrations of the NSSA presents a deficit, the Balanced Budget Fund shall be used to fill such deficit.
10. If the Balanced Budget Fund isn't sufficient to ensure a balanced budget in every administration, the Federal Government shall lend to the NSSA the money necessary for that. In such case, the Balanced Budget Funds shall be used to reimburse such loan as soon as possible.

Section 3: Tasks

1. The role of the NSSA is to compensate the victims of the social risks specified by legislation, through mechanisms and for an amount specified by legislation.
2. The social risks recognized by Atlasia are: illness, unemployment, parenthood, old age, handicap, working incidents, death of the spouse or the parent, catastrophe and excessive debt.
3. Each of the five three Administrations of the NSSA shall be responsible to cover one or more of previously specified social risks.
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« Reply #57 on: October 02, 2011, 11:58:14 pm »
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« Reply #58 on: October 03, 2011, 12:03:38 am »
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Ill have an amendment soon.
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« Reply #59 on: October 04, 2011, 01:12:19 am »
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« Reply #60 on: October 05, 2011, 08:08:03 pm »
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My only concern is to make sure all the amendments passed are successfully integrated into the text before we vote.


Other than that, barring what Napoleon has to say sparking a new perspective of the text (and thus further problems), I am finished.
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« Reply #61 on: October 05, 2011, 08:15:06 pm »
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Amendment:

Persons currently receiving benefits from programs set for repeal will continue to receive those benefits as if those programs were still in effect. Persons receiving benefits from repealed programs shall not receive benefits from the programs created in this law. Benefits from repealed programs shall be administered by the NSSA.
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« Reply #62 on: October 05, 2011, 08:46:39 pm »
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^ Is this a new section, a new clause to a current section? Let's try to keep the bill nice and pretty. Grin

(and of course, waiting for the sponsor's response)
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« Reply #63 on: October 05, 2011, 08:48:48 pm »
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I don't k ow just stick it where it makes sense to go. Tongue
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« Reply #64 on: October 05, 2011, 09:14:26 pm »
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I would suggest placing it as a loose hanging clause at the top of the bill like these are in the current text:

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Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act

1. Any statutory act (law, section or article) relative to Social Security in Atlasia, i.e. to the intervention of the Federal Government aimed to protect its citizens from social risks, prior to this Act is hereby repealed. Any previously established tax aimed to fund said activities is hereby abolished.
2. The National Social Security Agency (NSSA) is hereby established.
3. Any responsibility and authority in the domain of Social Security shall be vested in the NSSA. Said domains may be further specified by appropriate legislation.
4. The NSSA shall be under the responsibility of the Department of Internal Affairs.



Does number 5 sound reasonable? It has to be after 2-4 since it references the NSSA.
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« Reply #65 on: October 05, 2011, 09:17:07 pm »
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How abotu this formating?

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The Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act is amended as follows:

1. Any statutory act (law, section or article) relative to Social Security in Atlasia, i.e. to the intervention of the Federal Government aimed to protect its citizens from social risks, prior to this Act is hereby repealed. Any previously established tax aimed to fund said activities is hereby abolished.
2. The National Social Security Agency (NSSA) is hereby established.
3. Any responsibility and authority in the domain of Social Security shall be vested in the NSSA. Said domains may be further specified by appropriate legislation.
4. The NSSA shall be under the responsibility of the Department of Internal Affairs.
5. Persons currently receiving benefits from programs set for repeal will continue to receive those benefits as if those programs were still in effect. Persons receiving benefits from repealed programs shall not receive benefits from the programs created in this law. Benefits from repealed programs shall be administered by the NSSA.

All content in Sections 1 through 8 shall remain undeleted by this amendment.

Edit: Added that last sentence, otherwise, according to the precedent in the Currency act, such an amendment would erase the Sections 1-8. Wouldn't want that to happen. Tongue
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« Reply #66 on: October 06, 2011, 12:01:11 am »
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That is a good place.
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« Reply #67 on: October 06, 2011, 01:42:59 am »
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So, I take it you're accepting this as friendly then? Grin
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« Reply #68 on: October 07, 2011, 12:29:04 am »
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If you repeal a law establishing a program, I don't think the program could legally be continued.
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« Reply #69 on: October 07, 2011, 01:01:36 am »
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Clause 1 could be altered somewhat to reflect the changes in clause 5.
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« Reply #70 on: October 07, 2011, 01:06:47 am »
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Clause 1 could be altered somewhat to reflect the changes in clause 5.

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« Reply #71 on: October 07, 2011, 01:20:55 am »
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Clause 1 could be altered somewhat to reflect the changes in clause 5.

answer mah question plz

Yes, it's friendly.

But we need another one now.
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« Reply #72 on: October 07, 2011, 09:52:40 pm »
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The Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act is amended as follows:

1. Any statutory act (law, section or article) relative to Social Security in Atlasia, i.e. to the intervention of the Federal Government aimed to protect its citizens from social risks, prior to this Act is hereby repealed for all new recipients, starting on or after January 1st 2012.. Any previously established tax aimed to fund said activities is hereby abolished.
2. The National Social Security Agency (NSSA) is hereby established.
3. Any responsibility and authority in the domain of Social Security shall be vested in the NSSA. Said domains may be further specified by appropriate legislation.
4. The NSSA shall be under the responsibility of the Department of Internal Affairs.
5. Persons currently receiving benefits from programs set for repeal will continue to receive those benefits as if those programs were still in effect. Persons receiving benefits from repealed programs shall not receive benefits from the programs created in this law. Benefits from repealed programs shall be administered by the NSSA.

This amendment would make no other changes to the text.

How is this potential amendment?
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« Reply #73 on: October 07, 2011, 10:03:19 pm »
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Looks great.
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« Reply #74 on: October 09, 2011, 01:22:43 am »
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Ah, bgwah, ask your next question plz. Tongue Grin
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