From another board re: The South

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By the way, about our cities having "problems"....Where is the highest crime in our country? Atlanta, New Orleans, Houston, Dallas...all Southern cities.

Didn't we discuss this already? We pretty much boiled it down to a higher heat climate and minority demographics.

and segregation

Sadly that practice, even though not law, still exists in many rich New England communities.

Not really, but what you speak of is still VERY prevalent across much of the South. Don't deny it, I've seen it for myself.

Whatever you say Yankee.

[J. J.]

By the way, about our cities having "problems"....Where is the highest crime in our country? Atlanta, New Orleans, Houston, Dallas...all Southern cities.

Didn't we discuss this already? We pretty much boiled it down to a higher heat climate and minority demographics.

and segregation

Sadly that practice, even though not law, still exists in many rich New England communities.

Not really, but what you speak of is still VERY prevalent across much of the South. Don't deny it, I've seen it for myself.

Did you ever visit North Philadelphia?

[minionofmidas]

By the way, about our cities having "problems"....Where is the highest crime in our country? Atlanta, New Orleans, Houston, Dallas...all Southern cities.

Didn't we discuss this already? We pretty much boiled it down to a higher heat climate and minority demographics.

and segregation

Sadly that practice, even though not law, still exists in many rich New England communities.

Not really, but what you speak of is still VERY prevalent across much of the South. Don't deny it, I've seen it for myself.

Did you ever visit North Philadelphia?

Jonathan Frantzen wrote something similar somewhere...I'll try and think of quoting it when I find the time.

Just some more random thoughts on what I read in this thread...by no means exhaustive...
Segregation continues to exist, North and South. Just look at the Atlanta area's residential patterns. Or the Detroit area's.
And no, it's nowehere as bad as it used to be, again North and South.
But States' post should show you one thing: white Southern hatred of the North still exists.
I notice it totally escaped Dazzle that Dan claimed nowhere that these people he was talking about were White.

[dazzleman]

I notice it totally escaped Dazzle that Dan claimed nowhere that these people he was talking about were White.

Yes that's true.  But when liberals attack "the south," it's implied that they're attacking white trash.  Many liberals tend to judge the same behavior differently, depending upon ethnic background, and I assumed the same thing was happening here.  And I'm pretty sure I was right.

[minionofmidas]

His comments about racism in the same thread make me assume he was talking about people of both races, and is probably somewhat fed up with the fact that, in America, you have to expressly say this.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

His comments about racism in the same thread make me assume he was talking about people of both races, and is probably somewhat fed up with the fact that, in America, you have to expressly say this.

Point

[Engineer]

I have lived half my life in the north (22 years in Erie, PA) and half in the south (15 years in Waco, TX and 6 years in central KY).  Problems exist in both areas.  

The writer from the original post has some problems in his credibility.  It seems he does an awful lot of moving.  He appears to be in school while in the south and didn't stay long in any one place.  Until you actually live in a place for a while, it it hard to know the people there.  As far as his five years in the north, the number of places he's been in is quite amazing.  Somebody who hasn't lived in one place for any length of time is hardly qualified to speak about those areas.

[minionofmidas]

His many Northern moves are a feature that needs explaining.
He was born in Georgia, and spent, apparently, his entire school career there.

[??????????]

He is just a modern version of that lying little woman Harriet Beecher Stowe.

[WalterMitty]

statesrights:  you want to fight the civil war all over again, dont you?

[??????????]

statesrights:  you want to fight the civil war all over again, dont you?

Certainly not. But unlike you I do not feel ashamed of my regions history and will defend it at all costs.

[Colin]

"I don't care how inaccurate a generalization this may be, the fact remains: I hate southerners.
I moved north and have not once run into the same attitude that I saw in the south; that attitude that makes you feel you need to take a shower, get fresh air...the feeling that things are just wrong. Poisonous. Sickly. That feeling you get watching the family in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. The south is utterly filthy. I can't imagine going back.
I heard my entire life down there about how rude Yankees were, how cold, etc...but, frankly, after spending 5 plus years up here I can honestly say that I have not run into a single situation where a set of people came anywhere close to the broad, sweeping ignorance and lack of manners and outright rudeness that I saw everywhere in the south.
I'm dead serious about that.
I lived in Decatur, Alpharetta, Jasper and Adairsville while I lived in Georgia. That's a fairly good representation of poor, rich, mountainous/rural, flat/rural, urban, etc.
Everywhere I lived the people were far an away more unpleasant than the people I see daily up here and have for the past 5 years.
There is an infinite difference.

Since moving up here, I have traveled extensively between Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, MA and CT.
I lived in Ohio for a while, east of Cleveland in Painesville...
Yet I've never met the same attitude or level of ignorance I saw in the south.
This is not subjective. The fact is, if you're not exactly what you're expected to be in the south, then you're not wanted.
There is infinitely more racism down there...and even tho I am white, just its presence is enough to ruin the area.

And...if the people like you, the only thing you get in return is to hear stories about domestic abuse, complaints about money, etc.

BTW, of all the areas I lived, Adairsville, where the football team put a big D on their jersey's for "'dairsville"...that was rock bottom.
I saw more public domestic abuse there than anywhere else in the south.
Nearly weekly I saw guys screaming at their wives in parking lots. We actually called the cops in one specific instance.
Jasper was pretty bad, as well.
Alpharetta was probably the best, then again both Decatur and Alpharetta had more transplants from the north than natives.
Except that during 9th grade, my highschool(Milton High School) had to be shut down for near a week because of conflicts between students that were in the KKK and black students.
Keep in mind that that school was in one of the richest, most advanced sections of the south, northern Fulton County.

Since moving up here, I have not once, not a single freaking time, seen an instance of public domestic abuse. Once or twice I've seen people scream too loudly at their children...but not to the degree I did down there.
Down there it was common to see some overweight mother driving an absolutely worthless old SUV, with doors that barely shut, sometimes duct taped closed, dragging around 5 children barely dressed...and screaming her head off at them for no real discernable reason.

And in this image, I'm not judging her, I'm highlighting the hopelessness down there, where those people have no ambition. It's the collection of individuals brought together that make the place the cess pool it is.

My mother volunteered in Augusta at a women's refuge, ie where beaten women go. She actually transferred there after she got out of law school in Boston...and she's told me that she never saw the level of problems in Boston that she would see almost daily in Georgia. "

You should never Generalize. You might have lived in a bad area or focused more on the negatives of the south while you live there. You also moved to two of the best states in the Union, Ohio and Pennsylvania, let me tell you the entire North isn't all that pleasant and the entire South isn't all that pleasant ever part of the nation has their bad areas. Your politics might also have affected your view of the South since many liberal Democrats like yourself see the South in a very bad light so what they thought about the South might have influenced you views, I know my Conservative views have shaped my views of New York whenever I go there I feel as if I'm in enemy territory. But you have to really try to get beyond politics and actually see what is really there.

[Josh/Devilman88]

By the way, about our cities having "problems"....Where is the highest crime in our country? Atlanta, New Orleans, Houston, Dallas...all Southern cities.

Didn't we discuss this already? We pretty much boiled it down to a higher heat climate and minority demographics.

and segregation

Sadly that practice, even though not law, still exists in many rich New England communities.

Not really, but what you speak of is still VERY prevalent across much of the South. Don't deny it, I've seen it for myself.

What the heck are you talking about??? Segregation?? Where?? In the south? Wow someone forgot to tell me.. Last time I look (which was today) there black people in schools.. And I have black teachers. And heck I even have black people in my classes.. When I go out to eat the Black people sit in the same area. The same bathroom and water fountion. I never saw a sign that said white only. There are black people where my mom and dad work. There are black people where I live. Black people on my bus. Rich black people...  boy if you call taht Segregation you must be stupid.

[patrick1]

The North is a A LOT more segregated than the south in my experience.

[minionofmidas]

heck I even have black people in my classes.

There's a little telltale word here...

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heck I even have black people in my classes.

There's a little telltale word here...

And what would that little word be?

[minionofmidas]

heck I even have black people in my classes.

There's a little telltale word here...

And what would that little word be?

Well, one might claim there's actually two, but I was referring to "even", not "heck".

[patrick1]

I will say it again: Segregation is a lot worse in the North.  Dazzleman; a very good and intelligent poster, noted how he could go without having to go into a black neighborhood his whole life.  That is true and that is how things are structured in the North.  Racism may be a little more in your face in the South but it is a lot more subliminal and hurtful in the north.  It is my observation that the north tends to be the de facto brand of segragation.

[minionofmidas]

I will say it again: Segregation is a lot worse in the North.  Dazzleman; a very good and intelligent poster, noted how he could go without having to go into a black neighborhood his whole life.

Might've something to do with lower overall Black populations, though...especially with MUCH lower rural Black populations - which, in turn, derive from - ah, but you know that.
By which, of course, I am not saying the North doesn't have a residential segregation problem. Quite the opposite.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I will say it again: Segregation is a lot worse in the North.  Dazzleman; a very good and intelligent poster, noted how he could go without having to go into a black neighborhood his whole life.

Might've something to do with lower overall Black populations, though...especially with MUCH lower rural Black populations - which, in turn, derive from - ah, but you know that.
By which, of course, I am not saying the North doesn't have a residential segregation problem. Quite the opposite.

As always the maps on www.fairdata2000.com are worth a look at

[minionofmidas]

How much do those guys pay you?

[minionofmidas]

I will say it again: Segregation is a lot worse in the North.  Dazzleman; a very good and intelligent poster, noted how he could go without having to go into a black neighborhood his whole life.

Might've something to do with lower overall Black populations, though...especially with MUCH lower rural Black populations - which, in turn, derive from - ah, but you know that.
By which, of course, I am not saying the North doesn't have a residential segregation problem. Quite the opposite.

If enough black people move into a community, the white people move out.

Yes...but don't think that is any different in Southern cities. They have the overt racism to boot, not instead.

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Yeah, Socialist stupidity...Giving flats in Housing Projects only to those who need subsidized housing is all very fine, but forcing people to move out as soon as they don't need it any more is hurtful - it's destabilizing the neighborhood. We've had experiments with that in Frankfurt as well - not evicting those who earn too much, but raising their rent to the point where they could find something in a nicer neighborhood for the same price or less. It should be a planning aim to have rich people live right next to poor people. 

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How so.

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Yes, but don't think this is any different in the Southern cities. They have the overt - but I'm starting to sound like a broken record.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

How much do those guys pay you?

$2.45 a week

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Probably another Harriet Beecher Stowe type. Live in the south for 2 years and have ALL the knowledge about the south and how we are. I have no doubt this person is an elitist and truly an idiot.

Good job fitting the stereotype to a tea.

Why can't you just live your life in PA and leave us alone? Why does it HAVE to be your business and your peoples business for the past few hundred years to continue to hound us and disrespect us? What is the point? Why do you hate your fellow countryment so much? You people need to look at yourselfs and all the problems your cities have before you can even dare to criticize what we do or how we live. You wonder why the election map is so divided. Its because you people can't mind your business and live your life and let us live ours. Until you people get that things will never change.

Tell you what, you southerners can quit running the entire country - taking blue state money and giving it to red states, screwing the whole country with a terrible foreign policy, and then we'll talk about these so called problems that you have with blue states.

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Well I lived in Far Rockaway. All black.  My family moved because the neighborhood was getting too rough and robberies were rampant.  I actually grew up in Long Beach, NY.  A good party, drinking community on the Ocean.  The city is very segregated though.  I lived in the "west end" which was majority Irish with  Italians and Germans.  A christian area basically.  Going east along the ocean you have the Jewish area- Orthodox, reform and hasid who all hate each other:)  On the other side- the bay side you have the hispanic and black community.  We didn't go to the "black area" to hang out and they did not come to our part of town to party.  Then again we beat up a lot more "out of towners" than any race.  Most towns are segregated around these parts is my overall message. Al, look it up on fair data you can probably tell the different neighborhoods by socioecon.  11561.

Yes, Nassau county is one of the most segragated places.
I think San Jose, CA is one of the least.