SENATE BILL: Anti-Conscription Amendment (sent to regions)

[CatoMinor]

If the country was invaded, does anyone here seriously doubt that there would a wave of volunteers? I would like to think my colleagues here have more faith in the people than that.

The only situation I can see where we are short of volunteers is if we are fighting a war of aggression that the people do not support.  

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

This is a law. We cannot just assume the citizenry will be reasonable and do what we would expect any reasonable man to do. If we did that, we would not even need any laws.

[Napoleon]

This is a law. We cannot just assume the citizenry will be reasonable and do what we would expect any reasonable man to do. If we did that, we would not even need any laws.

Assuming the regions will be reasonable is better?

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I am saying, perhaps this amendment needs more specification. Perhaps allow conscription that is military based but does not allow servitude or slavery of any kind. Conscription can be interpreted in different ways.

[they don't love you like i love you]

Aye

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Aye


I think it moves the Amendment closer to where it needs to be, but it needs some slight improvements I think, after this.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Aye, but we need to specify further.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Not quite an amendment.

You must be logged in to read this quote.

How is this as far as limiting it to military purposes?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

What is the relevance of "legitimate foreign governments" and the higher education exception?

[Fuzzybigfoot]

Aye

[bgwah]

The amendment has passed.

[Ban my account ffs!]

What is the relevance of "legitimate foreign governments" and the higher education exception?

No conscription for a terrorist attack, basically.  Only in the case where, say, Mexico invades us.. or Iran or whoever... but Al Qaeda?  No.

Higher education:  It only applies to those already enrolled so they can finish their studies.  When they graduate, they'd be eligible to be drafted.  Even if they are planning to go to grad school or something.  It's just so they don't get pulled out of school in the middle of it.

[Junkie]

What is the relevance of "legitimate foreign governments" and the higher education exception?

No conscription for a terrorist attack, basically.  Only in the case where, say, Mexico invades us.. or Iran or whoever... but Al Qaeda?  No.

Higher education:  It only applies to those already enrolled so they can finish their studies.  When they graduate, they'd be eligible to be drafted.  Even if they are planning to go to grad school or something.  It's just so they don't get pulled out of school in the middle of it.

I understand your intention, but the wording seems a little vague.  It says to allow for exceptions for those already in higher education it does not say that they can then be conscripted when they graduate or drop out.  It actually would appear to allow for students to keep going to college (law school, etc.) to avoid the draft.

We would then have the situation the US had in Vietnam.  The war would be fought by the poor and the underprivilged, while the rich just go to school.  Also, I went to high school with a few kids that turned 18 their senior year.  So they could be pulled out, but a college freshman can not?  And why would a 20 year old college junior be more protected that a 20 year old in an apprenticeship or one that is married, has a child, and is in a job.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

What is the relevance of "legitimate foreign governments" and the higher education exception?

No conscription for a terrorist attack, basically.  Only in the case where, say, Mexico invades us.. or Iran or whoever... but Al Qaeda?  No.

I still don't see why that distinction though. It seems like the distinction would be whether we are talking about repeling an invasion (whether from a recognized government or not), or whether  sending forces to fight in another country.

[bgwah]

Please introduce any final amendments soon... I may suddenly start the final vote if this thread stays amendmentless much longer!

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Well we can atleast deal with 1 concern, so I offer the following amendment:

You must be logged in to read this quote.

[Ban my account ffs!]

I support that amendment.  Hopefully the sponsor does as well!

I'd also like to offer the following amendment once NCY's has passed/been accepted.

You must be logged in to read this quote.

I believe the language regarding those already enrolled in a degree program at a higher education institution would preclude graduating with a 4 year degree and enrolling in graduate school, thus avoiding conscription. 

[bgwah]

Do you accept the amendments as friendly, JBrase?

[CatoMinor]

I accept them as friendly

[bgwah]

The amendments have been accepted as friendly. Senators have 24 hours to object.

[bgwah]

The amendments have passed.

[CatoMinor]

As is, how many of you guys support the bill?

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I am leaning towards supporting it now.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I think every concern raised so far, has been addressed, so yes, I would support it.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

This point has still not been addressed.

I went to high school with a few kids that turned 18 their senior year.  So they could be pulled out, but a college freshman can not?  And why would a 20 year old college junior be more protected that a 20 year old in an apprenticeship or one that is married, has a child, and is in a job.

I'm not too keen either on giving those in higher ed greater rights than others in the Constitution.