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« on: September 13, 2011, 11:12:56 PM »
« edited: October 06, 2011, 01:51:09 AM by bgwah »

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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2011, 11:13:56 PM »
Support.
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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2011, 11:27:06 PM »
I support as well.
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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2011, 11:37:40 PM »
I will consider supporting this, but I would prefer we change the name. I would like to offer the following amendment:

The title shall be changed to "Anti-Conscription Amendment".
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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2011, 12:14:40 AM »
Quote from: bgwah on September 13, 2011, 11:37:40 PM
I will consider supporting this, but I would prefer we change the name. I would like to offer the following amendment:

The title shall be changed to "Anti-Conscription Amendment".

Come to think of it, that would be a good change. 
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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2011, 12:28:51 AM »
I won't oppose you if you wanna change the name.
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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2011, 12:38:37 AM »
So you accept my amendment as friendly, then? Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2011, 12:50:30 AM »
Quote from: bgwah on September 13, 2011, 11:37:40 PM
I will consider supporting this, but I would prefer we change the name. I would like to offer the following amendment:

The title shall be changed to "Anti-Conscription Amendment".

I support this.
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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2011, 01:12:45 PM »
We allow slavery under the current constitution?!?
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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2011, 04:49:09 PM »
Quote from: Senator Duke on September 14, 2011, 01:12:45 PM
We allow slavery under the current constitution?!?
Unfortunately we do.

And yes, Bgwah, I accept it as friendly.
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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2011, 08:19:22 PM »
The amendment has been accepted as friendly. Senators have 24 hours to ojbect.
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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2011, 09:35:33 PM »
The amendment has passed.
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« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2011, 09:49:23 PM »
« Edited: September 16, 2011, 03:32:52 AM by Snowguy716 »
I think this is the moral thing to do.  But I am still concerned about what we do if our volunteer military is not large enough to defend ourselves in case of an attack on our soil.  I'd like to see an exception for regions to conscript soldiers in such a case so long as they allow exemptions for conscientious objectors
and deferments for schooling or being a single parent/widow/widower with children.

So I offer the following amendment:

The Anti-Conscription Amendment
Article VI, Section VIII of The Atlasian Constitution is amended to read:
The Republic of Atlasia shall not conscript or enforce conscription of any citizen.  The right to conscript citizens at least eighteen years of age shall be reserved to the various regions in times of direct attack on Atlasian soil by legitimate foreign governments so long as they allow exemptions for conscientious objectors, the infirm or otherwise disabled, those already enrolled in a higher education institution at the time conscription begins, or heads of single parent households.


Note:  I realize it's not very "constitutiony"... but who says our constitution has to be super concise and written only in 1780s legalese?
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« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2011, 10:14:16 PM »
^ We just changed the name!! Tongue
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« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2011, 07:35:06 PM »
Eh, I would like to see how the rest of you all feel about the current text first. If it can be passed as is I would prefer that, but if not I would be fine with your amendment.
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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2011, 01:24:05 AM »
Well, I like Snowguy's amendment. I don't know about the rest of the Senate.
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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2011, 06:52:20 PM »
I prefer the amendment. Such situations would be rare and well, I would consider such circumstances to be well worth the sacrifice of freedom.
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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2011, 06:58:38 PM »
Sorry Snowguy, but I can't. Sad
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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2011, 07:48:26 PM »
Hmm, well I don't see it as hostile, but I would like a vote on it anyway Mr. PPT
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« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2011, 09:52:10 PM »
Quote from: Snowguy716 on September 15, 2011, 09:49:23 PM
The Anti-Conscription Amendment
Article VI, Section VIII of The Atlasian Constitution is amended to read:
The Republic of Atlasia shall not conscript or enforce conscription of any citizen.  The right to conscript citizens at least eighteen years of age shall be reserved to the various regions in times of direct attack on Atlasian soil by legitimate foreign governments so long as they allow exemptions for conscientious objectors, the infirm or otherwise disabled, those already enrolled in a higher education institution at the time conscription begins, or heads of single parent households.

Voting is open on the above amendment. Please vote aye, nay, or abstain.
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« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2011, 09:54:50 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2011, 09:57:15 PM »
Reserving conscription to regions? Is there any substance behind this other than moderate heroism? I'm being honest I may just be completely missing the point but having regional governments conscript for a national defense strikes me as absurd.
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« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2011, 11:10:39 PM »
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« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2011, 11:48:49 PM »
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« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2011, 02:38:46 PM »
Hmmmm, I am worried this could open the door for some regions to use this dangerously. I do think we need a provision in case of an invasion or a situation where the volunteer army is not large enough. Can we specify conscription only be used for military purposes and not something like slavery/labor?
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