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« Reply #1225 on: October 18, 2012, 02:17:51 PM »

Umengus and his Umengites ruin every polling thread. Sad
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« Reply #1226 on: October 18, 2012, 02:21:26 PM »

Another bad day for Gallup.

Even if job approval goes by adults and election polls go by likely voters, it's still quite a stretch to say Romney's leading while Obama's approval is at 50%.
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« Reply #1227 on: October 18, 2012, 02:43:28 PM »

Another bad day for Gallup.

Even if job approval goes by adults and election polls go by likely voters, it's still quite a stretch to say Romney's leading while Obama's approval is at 50%.

That would be...another bad day for Obama

This debate bounce for Romney is a pleasant surprise.
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« Reply #1228 on: October 18, 2012, 02:47:09 PM »

Gallup is literally such an insane outlier that either

A) This race is somehow turning into a Romney blowout and only Gallup is noticing.

or

B) Gallup is heading toward irrelevancy.
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« Reply #1229 on: October 18, 2012, 02:47:46 PM »

Another bad day for Gallup.

Even if job approval goes by adults and election polls go by likely voters, it's still quite a stretch to say Romney's leading while Obama's approval is at 50%.

That would be...another bad day for Obama

This debate bounce for Romney is a pleasant surprise.

Pretty much none of the other polls corroborate this supposed bounce. Taking the Gallup poll at face value is nothing more than hackery.
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« Reply #1230 on: October 18, 2012, 02:53:57 PM »



PPP. Does. Not. Weigh. By. Party. ID.

and it's the problem...there is a correlation between the number of democrats and the obama result. Just a fact.
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« Reply #1231 on: October 18, 2012, 02:54:52 PM »

Another bad day for Gallup.

Even if job approval goes by adults and election polls go by likely voters, it's still quite a stretch to say Romney's leading while Obama's approval is at 50%.

That would be...another bad day for Obama

This debate bounce for Romney is a pleasant surprise.

Pretty much none of the other polls corroborate this supposed bounce. Taking the Gallup poll at face value is nothing more than hackery.

And in all fairness, we are not seeing any debate bounce on other polls, though I think it is too early.
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« Reply #1232 on: October 18, 2012, 02:55:36 PM »



PPP. Does. Not. Weigh. By. Party. ID.

and it's the problem...there is a correlation between the number of democrats and the obama result. Just a fact.

Jesus.........
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« Reply #1233 on: October 18, 2012, 03:02:26 PM »

Another bad day for Gallup.

Even if job approval goes by adults and election polls go by likely voters, it's still quite a stretch to say Romney's leading while Obama's approval is at 50%.

That would be...another bad day for Obama

This debate bounce for Romney is a pleasant surprise.

Pretty much none of the other polls corroborate this supposed bounce. Taking the Gallup poll at face value is nothing more than hackery.

538 went toward Romney yesterday and its going to do the same today. Only hackery here is denial of the polls.
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« Reply #1234 on: October 18, 2012, 03:04:08 PM »

No it didn't... Obama's chance of winning increased marginally from 64.8% to 65.7% yesterday.
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« Reply #1235 on: October 18, 2012, 03:04:24 PM »


It didn't.
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« Reply #1236 on: October 18, 2012, 03:05:18 PM »

No it didn't... Obama's chance of winning increased marginally from 64.8% to 65.7% yesterday.

And seeing how Silver only uses Gallup RV number, it may even go higher.
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« Reply #1237 on: October 18, 2012, 03:09:44 PM »

No it didn't... Obama's chance of winning increased marginally from 64.8% to 65.7% yesterday.

And seeing how Silver only uses Gallup RV number, it may even go higher.

Maybe Silver said something different in his blog but the graph for the EV clearly shows small upward movement for Romney and downward movement for Obama. My mistake if it did.
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« Reply #1238 on: October 18, 2012, 03:11:32 PM »

No it didn't... Obama's chance of winning increased marginally from 64.8% to 65.7% yesterday.

And seeing how Silver only uses Gallup RV number, it may even go higher.

Maybe Silver said something different in his blog but the graph for the EV clearly shows small upward movement for Romney and downward movement for Obama. My mistake if it did.
Not yesterday, although the increments are pretty small so it's hard to tell.
If you mouse-over the graph, you'll see.
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« Reply #1239 on: October 18, 2012, 03:12:01 PM »

No it didn't... Obama's chance of winning increased marginally from 64.8% to 65.7% yesterday.

And seeing how Silver only uses Gallup RV number, it may even go higher.

Maybe Silver said something different in his blog but the graph for the EV clearly shows small upward movement for Romney and downward movement for Obama. My mistake if it did.

It didn't.

Lief is correct, Obama was at 64.8 the other day and is at 65.7.
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« Reply #1240 on: October 18, 2012, 03:37:10 PM »

Another bad day for Gallup.

Even if job approval goes by adults and election polls go by likely voters, it's still quite a stretch to say Romney's leading while Obama's approval is at 50%.

That would be...another bad day for Obama

This debate bounce for Romney is a pleasant surprise.

No, the fact that those numbers conflict like this should be enough to question Gallup's credibility on this race and Obama's approval rating no matter what it shows.
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« Reply #1241 on: October 18, 2012, 03:45:59 PM »



PPP. Does. Not. Weigh. By. Party. ID.

and it's the problem...there is a correlation between the number of democrats and the obama result. Just a fact.

Yes, and if there are more Democrats likely to vote (or are identifying as such to pollsters), Obama is in a better spot. Party ID is fluid!!!! How can we get this into your thick skull?
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« Reply #1242 on: October 18, 2012, 04:39:34 PM »

Reuters

Obama-47(NC)
Romney-44(NC)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/18/us-usa-campaign-idUSBRE89F07J20121018
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« Reply #1243 on: October 18, 2012, 04:49:29 PM »

Summarizing the trackers for the day (with rounding)...

Gallup   R+7
Rasmussen R+2
TIPP TIE
PPP  TIE
Reuters O+3
RAND 0+6

avg  TIE
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« Reply #1244 on: October 18, 2012, 05:04:28 PM »

Tight race.

I know I'm late to the Gallup party, but I'm thinking that the 7-point margin will tighten up soon. I'm betting there are a couple of massive pro-Romney samples that will fall off soon. Probably in the next couple of days.
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« Reply #1245 on: October 18, 2012, 05:55:18 PM »

Tight race.

I know I'm late to the Gallup party, but I'm thinking that the 7-point margin will tighten up soon. I'm betting there are a couple of massive pro-Romney samples that will fall off soon. Probably in the next couple of days.

J.J. forgot to say that. Maybe there are two pro-Romney samples in Monday and Tuesday.
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« Reply #1246 on: October 18, 2012, 05:59:05 PM »

Tight race.

I know I'm late to the Gallup party, but I'm thinking that the 7-point margin will tighten up soon. I'm betting there are a couple of massive pro-Romney samples that will fall off soon. Probably in the next couple of days.

J.J. forgot to say that. Maybe there are two pro-Romney samples in Monday and Tuesday.

Well if you look at the approval numbers (on a 3-day cycle), Obama's improved by about five points between the first half of the current 7-day Gallup sample and the second half.
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« Reply #1247 on: October 18, 2012, 06:18:11 PM »

Something to consider re: Gallup

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« Reply #1248 on: October 18, 2012, 06:20:36 PM »

Gallup is losing credibility by the day.
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« Reply #1249 on: October 18, 2012, 06:22:41 PM »

Gallup hasn't had much credibility in terms of LV for over a a decade now.
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