Is opebo a libertarian?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

We've had debates on this before, even before he switched.

I say yes, he just went from one being tolerant of social conservatives to being tolerant of economic liberals.

[John Dibble]

Yes, barely. A hateful, bitter one, but yeah he's a libertarian for the most part. Seems he's been somewhat leaning left economically recently, though, so that status may change.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Actually I think his position is that leftist economics are better for society as a whole, but not the investor class which he considers himself a part of. So he supports economic policies he believes benefits himself more.

[Bono]

No. Not at all. For once he believes in the Marxist view of the economy. For other, he advocates agression againstpeople who disagree with him.

[PBrunsel]

I think he is. I think he used to be on the facist-libertarain side though. Now he's on the Ebeneezer Scrooge-libertarian side.

[opebo]

I consider myself a libertarian - I just broke the tie in my own poll.

[patrick1]

I think he is. I think he used to be on the facist-libertarain side though. Now he's on the Ebeneezer Scrooge-libertarian side.

Mr. President it is spelled Fascist.  I've seen you spell it that way quite a few times;) 

As for Mr. Opebo, he does not fall very well into any categories at the moment.  I well reserve judgement for a while, several months ago he praised Santorum and Ashcroft and he now wants them to be fed to the lions...we shall see.

[WalterMitty]

"So I would say a good balance between the antagonistic systems of capitalism and democracy would be --- $15 an hour.  One really can't live on less anyway, and for the unemployment it caused (if any), just provide a generous welfare state."--opebo

is this a libertarian view?

[King]

This issue is dividing the forum!

Yes: 50%
No: 50%

[opebo]

"So I would say a good balance between the antagonistic systems of capitalism and democracy would be --- $15 an hour.  One really can't live on less anyway, and for the unemployment it caused (if any), just provide a generous welfare state."--opebo

is this a libertarian view?

No, but its a reasonable attempt to reconcile capitalism and democracy.  You'll never get libertarianism out of democracy.  Since we appear to be stuck with democracy, I'm more willing to compromise on economic issues like a 'living wage' than on the religious party's goal of eliminating personal freedoms.

[minionofmidas]

No. Not at all. For once he believes in the Marxist view of the economy.

So do all economic Conservatives.

[Colin]

No. Not at all. For once he believes in the Marxist view of the economy.

So do all economic Conservatives.

How so?

[minionofmidas]

No. Not at all. For once he believes in the Marxist view of the economy.

So do all economic Conservatives.

How so?

Marxism and "Neoliberalism", and, to a lesser extent Keynesianism all share the fallacious belief that it is possible to attain and maintain an economic equilibrium in which all demand is met, all supply is used and everything has been fairly priced (the definition of a fair price being the price it would fetch in such a situation).

[King]

Opebo isn't a libertarian. He is an Opeboist, its a cross between a Conservative, Liberal, Libertarian, and Populist...

[minionofmidas]

Opebo isn't a libertarian. He is an Opeboist, its a cross between a Conservative, Liberal, Libertarian, and Populist...

...not to forget Libertine...

[Bono]

"So I would say a good balance between the antagonistic systems of capitalism and democracy would be --- $15 an hour.  One really can't live on less anyway, and for the unemployment it caused (if any), just provide a generous welfare state."--opebo

is this a libertarian view?

No, but its a reasonable attempt to reconcile capitalism and democracy.  You'll never get libertarianism out of democracy.  Since we appear to be stuck with democracy, I'm more willing to compromise on economic issues like a 'living wage' than on the religious party's goal of eliminating personal freedoms.

You should read Hans-Hermann Hoppe's Democracy: The God That Failed

[A18]

You'll never get libertarianism out of democracy.

Sixty-eight percent (68%) of American voters think raising taxes is bad for the economy. Forty-eight percent (48%) of all employees belong to the Investor Class. Sixty-seven percent (67%) of voters support personal retirement accounts if current retirees are fully protected.

What the GOP is trying to build is an ownership society.

The growth of entrepreneurial employment and stock ownership are both good for the GOP.

[opebo]

You'll never get libertarianism out of democracy.

Sixty-eight percent (68%) of American voters think raising taxes is bad for the economy. Forty-eight percent (48%) of all employees belong to the Investor Class. Sixty-seven percent (67%) of voters support personal retirement accounts if current retirees are fully protected.

What the GOP is trying to build is an ownership society.

The growth of entrepreneurial employment and stock ownership are both good for the GOP.

The ownership society is ego-stroking garbage, trying to convince working class people they're in the same class as their betters.  And all this is completely irrelevant to the aspect of the GOP I care about - the fact that it is controlled by the religious, who want to control my personal life.

[A18]

What are you talking about? Prostitution and drugs should be legal, but they've been outlawed for YEARS, and both parties support it.

What class you're in is not important. What's relevant is that an investor wants what businesses want: a common interest in laissez-faire economics.

[David S]

I think Opebo falls into the left wing Liberal category.

[Hitchabrut]

we're being outvoted!!!!!!!

[opebo]

we're being outvoted!!!!!!!

Who're 'we'?

[WalterMitty]

You'll never get libertarianism out of democracy.

Sixty-eight percent (68%) of American voters think raising taxes is bad for the economy. Forty-eight percent (48%) of all employees belong to the Investor Class. Sixty-seven percent (67%) of voters support personal retirement accounts if current retirees are fully protected.

What the GOP is trying to build is an ownership society.

The growth of entrepreneurial employment and stock ownership are both good for the GOP.

The ownership society is ego-stroking garbage, trying to convince working class people they're in the same class as their betters.  And all this is completely irrelevant to the aspect of the GOP I care about - the fact that it is controlled by the religious, who want to control my personal life.

this coming from a guy who once said rick santorum would be a good successor to president bush and that john ashcroft was his favorite all time senator.

[opebo]

You'll never get libertarianism out of democracy.

Sixty-eight percent (68%) of American voters think raising taxes is bad for the economy. Forty-eight percent (48%) of all employees belong to the Investor Class. Sixty-seven percent (67%) of voters support personal retirement accounts if current retirees are fully protected.

What the GOP is trying to build is an ownership society.

The growth of entrepreneurial employment and stock ownership are both good for the GOP.

The ownership society is ego-stroking garbage, trying to convince working class people they're in the same class as their betters.  And all this is completely irrelevant to the aspect of the GOP I care about - the fact that it is controlled by the religious, who want to control my personal life.

this coming from a guy who once said rick santorum would be a good successor to president bush and that john ashcroft was his favorite all time senator.

Yes, Walter Mitty, you have again made your point that I have changed my mind - not exactly news to anyone on this board. 

[minionofmidas]

You'll never get libertarianism out of democracy.

Sixty-eight percent (68%) of American voters think raising taxes is bad for the economy. Forty-eight percent (48%) of all employees belong to the Investor Class. Sixty-seven percent (67%) of voters support personal retirement accounts if current retirees are fully protected.

What the GOP is trying to build is an ownership society.

The growth of entrepreneurial employment and stock ownership are both good for the GOP.

The ownership society is ego-stroking garbage, trying to convince working class people they're in the same class as their betters.  And all this is completely irrelevant to the aspect of the GOP I care about - the fact that it is controlled by the religious, who want to control my personal life.

this coming from a guy who once said rick santorum would be a good successor to president bush and that john ashcroft was his favorite all time senator.

Yes, Walter Mitty, you have again made your point that I have changed my mind - not exactly news to anyone on this board. 

Huh? What? You've changed your mind? When? Where? Into what? Why did I not receive a News Alert?