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« Reply #50 on: September 20, 2011, 06:22:40 am »
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Any event that is still two years into the future is far from "definite".

Under no circumstances will this malformed black-yellow coalition endure two more years...
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« Reply #51 on: September 20, 2011, 06:25:16 am »
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Any event that is still two years into the future is far from "definite".

Under no circumstances will this malformed black-yellow coalition endure two more years...

You really seem to be a great expert on German politics. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #52 on: September 20, 2011, 07:14:53 am »

Any event that is still two years into the future is far from "definite".

Under no circumstances will this malformed black-yellow coalition endure two more years...

You really seem to be a great expert on German politics. Roll Eyes

Under no circumstances such things would happen in Oklahoma.
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« Reply #53 on: September 20, 2011, 07:20:09 am »
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How brilliant is that? I've finally got a stalker...
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« Reply #54 on: September 20, 2011, 09:53:15 am »

How brilliant is that? I've finally got a stalker...

In your dreams.
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« Reply #55 on: September 20, 2011, 10:00:37 am »
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How brilliant is that? I've finally got a stalker...

First time on the internet, sugar?
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« Reply #56 on: November 13, 2011, 04:35:03 pm »
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A question for Germans: As of right now, what would you say are Wowereit's chances of being the SPD's nominee for Chancellor percentage wise?  And are there any polls showing how the SPD would fare if he were it's nominee?
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« Reply #57 on: November 13, 2011, 05:01:07 pm »
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A question for Germans: As of right now, what would you say are Wowereit's chances of being the SPD's nominee for Chancellor percentage wise?

Uh, hard to say. 10%? 20% max.? Probably much closer to 10% after his decision to form a coalition with the CDU instead of one with the Greens in Berlin.

Gabriel, Steinmeier, and Steinbrück are the relevant potential candidates at the moment. Wowereit is probably fourth in line, maybe even fifth, if we count Olaf Scholz in.



And are there any polls showing how the SPD would fare if he were it's nominee?

We don't do such polls. There are only "which party would you vote for" and (hypothetical) "which Chancellor would you vote for" polls? I don't know if a Merkel vs. Wowereit poll was ever done though.
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« Reply #58 on: November 13, 2011, 07:32:53 pm »
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A question for Germans: As of right now, what would you say are Wowereit's chances of being the SPD's nominee for Chancellor percentage wise?

Uh, hard to say. 10%? 20% max.? Probably much closer to 10% after his decision to form a coalition with the CDU instead of one with the Greens in Berlin.

Gabriel, Steinmeier, and Steinbrück are the relevant potential candidates at the moment. Wowereit is probably fourth in line, maybe even fifth, if we count Olaf Scholz in.



And are there any polls showing how the SPD would fare if he were it's nominee?

We don't do such polls. There are only "which party would you vote for" and (hypothetical) "which Chancellor would you vote for" polls? I don't know if a Merkel vs. Wowereit poll was ever done though.

I know that, but there must be polls on how people's voting intentions would change depending on who a party was led by.  I realize it's by party, which I think is a much better system than the one we have in the US. 
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« Reply #59 on: November 14, 2011, 12:26:07 pm »
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I know that, but there must be polls on how people's voting intentions would change depending on who a party was led by.

None that I'm aware of.

The closest thing are the "who would you prefer as Chancellor (Merkel vs. X)?" and "who would you prefer as SPD Chancellor-candidate?" polls. Usually, Steinmeier, Steinbrück, and Gabriel are included in these polls. Sometimes also Wowereit, Scholz, and Hannelore Kraft, but those tend to be the SPD Chancellor-candidate polls and not the Chancellor polls.

Polls are usually led by Steinbrück and/or Steinmeier. At best, Wowereit is then tied with Gabriel for 3rd place.
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« Reply #60 on: November 15, 2011, 12:37:18 am »
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Wowereit didn't make a move to run for nomination until now. Not the slightest. Many see him as a potential candidate for the very fact that he is the only high-ranking "left-winger" in the SPD at the moment. Besides that, no sign of interest on his side.

But the election is two years ahead.
And it seems that Steinbrück's strange ego-campaign flanked by his 91-year-old buddy Helmut Schmidt came to early, the media is annoyed already.

Of course the party leaders will try to make him the candidate anyhow.
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« Reply #61 on: November 15, 2011, 01:51:16 am »
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likely to have some difficulty finalizing trade deals in parts of Africa and the Middle East, but that can be dealt with by leaving that to the foreign minister.  Only if Germany had a gay trifecta of President, Chancellor, and Foreign Minister would there be a serious problem for Germany.
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« Reply #62 on: November 15, 2011, 10:13:07 am »
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Oh, and this:

The interesting thing about that primary is: Klaus Wowereit is gay. His most famous statement is:

Ich bin schwul, und das ist auch gut so, liebe Genossinnen und Genossen.
In English: I am gay, and that is a goog thing, dear party members.

Of course he says "comrades", not "party members".
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« Reply #63 on: November 15, 2011, 05:43:55 pm »
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Many see him as a potential candidate for the very fact that he is the only high-ranking "left-winger" in the SPD at the moment.

It's time to do away with that myth.

I bet most people couldn't name three political issues where Wowereit is more left-wing than, let's say, Frank-Walter Steinmeier. Wowereit's reputation as a left-winger is mostly based on the fact that he had governed with the PDS/Left for the past ten years, and even preferred such a coalition over SPD/Greens. However, he's governing with the CDU now (and again, preferring it over SPD/Greens), so the reason for his classification as a left-winger has ceased to exist.
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« Reply #64 on: November 16, 2011, 11:50:25 pm »
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It's time to do away with that myth.

Well, he is a leftwinger because that is just his position in the framework of wings and groups inside the SPD. And that is what counts politically.
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« Reply #65 on: November 17, 2011, 08:44:13 am »
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Well, he is a leftwinger because that is just his position in the framework of wings and groups inside the SPD. And that is what counts politically.

Yeah, that's the way this things work. A nice historical example from over here would be the fact that on most issues, Gaitskell was clearly to the left of Wilson, but to have argued that at the time... lol.
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« Reply #66 on: November 17, 2011, 11:43:13 am »
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It's funny though. Kurt Beck, who had started his career in a SPD/FDP coalition, formed a SPD/Green coalition this year rather than a SPD/CDU one.

And Klaus Wowereit, who had started his career with a SPD/PDS coalition, formed a SPD/CDU coalition rather than a SPD/Green one.

"Right-wing" and "left-wing" doesn't mean squat.
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