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« on: April 13, 2008, 07:17:09 PM »

Apparently, it's coming Smiley

Proposed constituencies in a cool atlas here:

http://www.lacartechange.qc.ca/lacartechange/en/index.asp
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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2008, 09:11:31 PM »



New districts:

Gaspesia and the Magdalens: loss of one district 
Lowers St. Lawrence: loss of one district 
Chaudiere and Appalachia: loss of one district
Eastern Townships and Central Quebec: loss of one district
Monteregia: gain of one (Rousillon, located on the south shore)
Island of Montreal: no change
Laval: gain of one (Marc-Aurele-Fortin, north central Laval)
Laurentians and Lanaudiere: gain of one (La Prairie, located in the north shore suburbs)
Ottawa: no change
Abitibi, Timiskaming and Northern Quebec: no change, surprisingly
Mauricia: no change
National Capital: no change
Saguenay, Lake St. John and the North Coast: no change, surprisingly

I've probably missed a new district somewhere.

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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2008, 11:08:18 PM »


I've probably missed a new district somewhere.


No, the thing is than Eastern Townships and central Québec haven't lose a district.
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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2008, 05:38:55 PM »


I've probably missed a new district somewhere.


No, the thing is than Eastern Townships and central Québec haven't lose a district.

So you're right. It loses the riding around Coaticook, but then it gains St-Francois just north of it.
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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2008, 09:41:00 PM »

This map will probably never be used.

The Electoral Commission stopped the process to officialise the map. The Commission will restart the process when the government will give them some support.

Neither of the parties in the Assembly want to vote for this map because with this map, rural zones lose too more districts.

There is negotiations between parties for change the law for allowing less inhabitants in rural districts than the urban districts or to have more districts.

The Electoral Commission says that the government is laughing of them and make his work useless.
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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2008, 11:07:17 PM »

This map will probably never be used.

The Electoral Commission stopped the process to officialise the map. The Commission will restart the process when the government will give them some support.

Neither of the parties in the Assembly want to vote for this map because with this map, rural zones lose too more districts.

There is negotiations between parties for change the law for allowing less inhabitants in rural districts than the urban districts or to have more districts.

The Electoral Commission says that the government is laughing of them and make his work useless.

Wouldn't PQ and ADQ be hurt the most? I guess they can combine to block the changes, but I think ADQ would gain some in Monteregie. PQ would lose a lot because they have strong support in the rural depopulated districts. They really do need to redistrict Quebec. In fact, Canada should be redistricted. I doubt it is very equally distributed.
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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2008, 11:48:48 PM »

This map will probably never be used.

The Electoral Commission stopped the process to officialise the map. The Commission will restart the process when the government will give them some support.

Neither of the parties in the Assembly want to vote for this map because with this map, rural zones lose too more districts.

There is negotiations between parties for change the law for allowing less inhabitants in rural districts than the urban districts or to have more districts.

The Electoral Commission says that the government is laughing of them and make his work useless.

Wouldn't PQ and ADQ be hurt the most? I guess they can combine to block the changes, but I think ADQ would gain some in Monteregie. PQ would lose a lot because they have strong support in the rural depopulated districts. They really do need to redistrict Quebec. In fact, Canada should be redistricted. I doubt it is very equally distributed.

It's fine actually. I think the last election was the first in history where the the popular vote closely matched the seats result.
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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2010, 05:41:42 PM »

Bump!

Finally PQ and PLQ never agreed on the reforms to not decrease regional power.

Liberals wanted to add more seats in more populated regions, but PQ didn't wanted to raise the number of seats and they thought this "dilute" regional power.

PQ wanted to makes exceptions for remote regions, but Liberal didn't wanted, as it would be unfair for suburbs.

So, this is will presented to the Assembly on Tuesday, with a few adjustments because of the public hearings.
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2010, 06:03:47 PM »

The Liberals have a majority, right?  Does the type of proposal being discussed here require supermajority support in the National Assembly of Quebec (interesting name for a provincial legislature), or can the Liberals do whatever they want as long as they have a majority and enough party discipline (which seems to be much stronger in parliamentary democracies such as Canada than in the U.S.) to get a simple majority on any vote on this issue?
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2010, 08:06:12 PM »

The Liberals have a majority, right?  Does the type of proposal being discussed here require supermajority support in the National Assembly of Quebec (interesting name for a provincial legislature), or can the Liberals do whatever they want as long as they have a majority and enough party discipline (which seems to be much stronger in parliamentary democracies such as Canada than in the U.S.) to get a simple majority on any vote on this issue?

Liberals could have that passed, for sure.

However, there was more political gain to be done by proposing something than nobody would never accept (adding more seats) and after saying "PQ is opposed to representation of regions"!

The plan was presented and the MLAs had many propositions.
The MLAs want to name a riding after Robert Bourassa. They proposed to rename Ungava in Robert-Bourassa, but Amir Khadir proposed to rename his riding, Mercier, in "Mercier-Robert-Bourassa"

All is avaliable, in French only, on the website of the National Assembly, in the section on the "Commission de l'Assemblée Nationale" (Committee on the National Assembly). The new report is very hard to find, so here is the link.

http://www.assnat.qc.ca/media/Process.aspx?MediaId=ANQ.Vigie.Bll.DocumentGenerique_32413&process=Default&token=ZyMoxNwUn8ikQ+TRKYwPCjWrKwg+vIv9rjij7p3xLGTZDmLVSmJLoqe/vG7/YWzz

The one on the main page is the old project.

The three ridings abolished are "Kamouraska-Témiscouata", "Lotbinière" and "Matane". "Lignery", "Repentigny" and "Sainte-Rose" ridings are created.

There is strange proposals by the Elections Office, who wants to rename "Vanier" in "Georges-Vanier" and "Anjou" in "Anjou-Louis-Riel".

There will be some changes after the MLAs auditions.
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2010, 08:10:59 PM »

I hate naming ridings after people.
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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2010, 08:28:37 PM »

I hate naming ridings after people.

Even if the person name is now used to describe the geographical region (e.g. Labelle, Champlain, Duplessis)?

The map is afwul in Estrie and Central Québec! They managed to cut Drummonville in two and streched one half near Granby and the other half near Thetford Mines.
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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2010, 09:42:43 PM »

I hate naming ridings after people.

Even if the person name is now used to describe the geographical region (e.g. Labelle, Champlain, Duplessis)?

The map is afwul in Estrie and Central Québec! They managed to cut Drummonville in two and streched one half near Granby and the other half near Thetford Mines.

I've never heard that region called Duplessis except for the riding. Everyone calls it Cote Nord or Basse-Cote-Nord or whatever.
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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2010, 09:53:51 PM »

I hate naming ridings after people.

Even if the person name is now used to describe the geographical region (e.g. Labelle, Champlain, Duplessis)?

The map is afwul in Estrie and Central Québec! They managed to cut Drummonville in two and streched one half near Granby and the other half near Thetford Mines.

I've never heard that region called Duplessis except for the riding. Everyone calls it Cote Nord or Basse-Cote-Nord or whatever.

Say that to "Tourisme Duplessis". It is the name of an official touristic region.

http://www.tourismeduplessis.com/
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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2010, 10:00:19 PM »

I hate naming ridings after people.

Even if the person name is now used to describe the geographical region (e.g. Labelle, Champlain, Duplessis)?

The map is afwul in Estrie and Central Québec! They managed to cut Drummonville in two and streched one half near Granby and the other half near Thetford Mines.

I've never heard that region called Duplessis except for the riding. Everyone calls it Cote Nord or Basse-Cote-Nord or whatever.

Say that to "Tourisme Duplessis". It is the name of an official touristic region.

http://www.tourismeduplessis.com/

Oh dear. I would hate to live in a place named after Canada's only fascist premier.
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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2010, 10:04:52 PM »

Is it actually used by local residents, or just by the sort of idiots who name tourist boards? No one calls the West Midlands the 'Heart of England'.
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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2010, 10:19:58 PM »

Is it actually used by local residents, or just by the sort of idiots who name tourist boards? No one calls the West Midlands the 'Heart of England'.

Probably the latter. Or perhaps some confusion based on the riding name. Argh... only in Quebec.. (and Australia)
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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2010, 10:29:42 PM »
« Edited: September 18, 2010, 10:31:31 PM by MaxQue »

Is it actually used by local residents, or just by the sort of idiots who name tourist boards? No one calls the West Midlands the 'Heart of England'.

I don't know, but I suppose they don't use it.
It is a too creepy name.

Edit: Yes, the riding took this name in 1960, the touristic board much later.
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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2010, 10:39:31 PM »
« Edited: September 19, 2010, 01:27:35 AM by MaxQue »

So, I'll a short summary of the redistricting plan by region.

Abitibi-Témiscamingue and Northern Quebec: At first, they proposed to cut the southern and less Natives parts of Ungava (the northern Quebec riding who is going north until it reaches Nunavut) to shore up Abitibi-Ouest and Abitibi-Est. And playing around borders in Abitibi to make more equal ridings. Now, they changed their minds. Ungava and Rouyn-Noranda-Témiscamingue aren't touched and Abitibi-Est is shoring up Abitibi-Ouest in the lawful limits while Abitibi-Est become an exception riding. Both MNAs and the concerned town are complaining, they prefer to shore up Abitibi-Est (which has positive growth) and calling Abitibi-Ouest (which has negative growth) an exception riding.

Next summaries should be shorter, since I know the situation less well.

Bas-Saint-Laurent: First plan and new plan are the same, to the disray of the population. One of the three ridings there is deleted. Kamouraska-Témiscouata, riding of the late Claude Béchard, is splitted in two. Kamouraska will be merged with "Montmagny-L'Islet", in Chaudière-Appalaches region, under the name of Côte-du-Sud. Témiscouata is merged with Rivière-du-Loup, the former riding of Mario Dumont, the former ADQ leader, under the name Rivière-du-Loup-Témiscouata. That was needed because Montmagny-L'Islet, Kamouraska-Témiscouata and Rivière-du-Loup were among the most underpopulated ridings in Quebec. There is a slight border change between Rivière-du-Loup(-Témiscouata) and Rimouski, to fit the MRC (counties) borders.

Capitale-Nationale (Québec City, Portneuf and Charlevoix): In the first plan, the commission had two goals which were respecting the limits of the arrondissements of Québec City and fixing the population disequilibrium. Portneuf was redistricted to fit Portneuf MRC. Charlevoix was lacking population and the suburbs grew too much since last redistricting and were overpopulated. To begin, Charlevoix lost its eastern parts to shore up the North Coast, so Orléans Island was added to him and it stretched until Québec City borders and taking the name of Charlevoix-Beaupré. All that territory was took in the Montmorency riding which was expanded further in the Beauport suburb of Québec City to make up. Then, all ridings in Québec City (safe Charlesbourg) changed to better fit the arrondissements boundaries. This had the effect of pushing all ridings to the west, so the last one, Louis-Hébert (the first farmer in New France, by the way) had to annex the Saint-Augustin-de-Desmaures city. This pushed La Peltrie, the only Quebec City seat who stayed to the ADQ to the north, which had to annex the areas around Valcartier and the areas who were expelled from Portneuf riding. So, La Peltrie is much more rural than before and less suburban. The Vanier riding was to be renamed "Vanier-Les Rivières", by adding the arrondissement name. Chauveau, in northern Québec City and suburbs is cut west and east and looks like a streched rectangle.

In the new report, they decided to not touch to the North Coast, so Charlevoix(-Beaupré) returned to its former eastern border and was renamed "Charlevoix-Côte-de-Beaupré". But, since the last report, Québec City changed the border of its arrondissements! So, all Québec City ridings were redistricted again, pushing La Peltrie even further and removing more suburbs from there. It is looking bad, it is now the suburban city of L'Ancienne-Lorette, then almost empty land, then rural areas and a military base. Most of the former La Peltrie is in Louis-Hébert, now. Vanier(-Les Rivières) is renamed Georges-Vanier, too. (Georges Vanier is a former Governor General, the first French person to be the Governor General of Canada, in fact.)

Chaudière-Appalaches: The first proposed map was afwul. It had to delete a riding, so the deleted the one in the middle, Beauce-Nord. Let's begin at east. Montmagny-L'Islet is merged with Kamouraske part of Kamouraska-Témiscouata to become Côte-du-Sud. Already said. Bellechasse, a rural areas was added some Lévis suburbs, so Lévis was reduced to a stripe along the St. Lawrence. The suburban riding of Chutes-de-la-Chaudière lose a part of its suburbs and annex the northern and rural parts of Beauce-Nord. The new riding doesn't make sense, except having Chaudière River in its middle. Rural Lotbinière is losing its western half. That is to balance the adding of the suburbs who were removed from Chutes-de-la-Chaudière. Frontenac, home to Thetford Mines, the city of the asbestos is so underpopulated (people literaly flee the area and I understand them) than it annexed towns left and right and the middle of Beauce-Nord and taking the name of Beauce-Amiante (Beauce-Asbestos, what a great name! Wyoming-Cyanide, while being there?). Finally, Beauce-Sud was annexing the southern part of Beauce-Nord, while losing some towns to the Eastern Townships region.

New map is better. Lotbinière is abolished, not Beauce-Nord. Côte-du-Sud, Bellechasse and Lévis aren't changed from the first plan. Beauce-Nord, Beauce-Sud and Chutes-de-la-Chaudière are keeping their old limits, from before redistricting. The eastern half of Lotbinière and most of Frontenac are merged into Lotbinière-Frontenac. The remainder is sent in other regions, in Nicolet-Bécancour, Arthabaska, Drummond-Bois-Francs and Mégantic.
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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2010, 01:11:36 PM »


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« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2010, 09:08:59 PM »

No, no one here wants electronic fags. Fuck off and die in a fire, evil spammer.
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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2011, 04:12:05 PM »

So, bump.

Charest finally gave up and the three rural ridings will finally be abolished and the elections office finally deposed his report (dated from September 10th, 2010!)

So, according to the resume, here are the main changes.

More exceptions ridings. Before there was only Ungava and Îles-de-la-Madeleine, now they will be Gaspé, René-Lévesque, Abitibi-Est and Abitibi-Ouest. (For the two Abitibi ridings the problem is than they have population for 2.5 MNA and there is nobody to provide them the 0.5 around, since it is surrounded by North, Ontario and a 3 hour long to cross national park.)

So, regions affected by the new report.

Abitibi: Returns to previous situation, doesn't strecht north.
Chaudière-Appalaches: Beauce-Nord (ADQ) isn't abolished but Lotbinière (ADQ) and Frontenac (LIB) are merged.

Eastern Townships/Central Quebec: Redrawing about demands in audiences.

Laurentides-Lanaudière: Map was very bad there. It was redraw. Finally, the new riding is based on the city of Repentigny.

Laval: The proposed riding of Marc-Aurèle-Fortin will be named Sainte-Rose.

Montérégie: The proposed new riding, which was to be called Roussillon, then Lignery will be called Sanguinet, finally.
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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2011, 04:52:38 PM »
« Edited: September 21, 2011, 04:56:07 PM by Teddy (SoFE) »

No, no one here wants electronic fags. Fuck off and die in a fire, evil spammer.
Uh? Was that directed at Max? Did I miss something? ...where's the blinking smiley?

So, bump.

Charest finally gave up and the three rural ridings will finally be abolished and the elections office finally deposed his report (dated from September 10th, 2010!)

So, according to the resume, here are the main changes.

More exceptions ridings. Before there was only Ungava and Îles-de-la-Madeleine, now they will be Gaspé, René-Lévesque, Abitibi-Est and Abitibi-Ouest. (For the two Abitibi ridings the problem is than they have population for 2.5 MNA and there is nobody to provide them the 0.5 around, since it is surrounded by North, Ontario and a 3 hour long to cross national park.)

So, regions affected by the new report.

Abitibi: Returns to previous situation, doesn't strecht north.
Chaudière-Appalaches: Beauce-Nord (ADQ) isn't abolished but Lotbinière (ADQ) and Frontenac (LIB) are merged.

Eastern Townships/Central Quebec: Redrawing about demands in audiences.

Laurentides-Lanaudière: Map was very bad there. It was redraw. Finally, the new riding is based on the city of Repentigny.

Laval: The proposed riding of Marc-Aurèle-Fortin will be named Sainte-Rose.

Montérégie: The proposed new riding, which was to be called Roussillon, then Lignery will be called Sanguinet, finally.

I was just on the Elections Quebec website yesterday looking for the updated map and they said that the process had been halted for some reason? Has something changed?


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« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2011, 05:55:38 PM »

No, no one here wants electronic fags. Fuck off and die in a fire, evil spammer.
Uh? Was that directed at Max? Did I miss something? ...where's the blinking smiley?

So, bump.

Charest finally gave up and the three rural ridings will finally be abolished and the elections office finally deposed his report (dated from September 10th, 2010!)

So, according to the resume, here are the main changes.

More exceptions ridings. Before there was only Ungava and Îles-de-la-Madeleine, now they will be Gaspé, René-Lévesque, Abitibi-Est and Abitibi-Ouest. (For the two Abitibi ridings the problem is than they have population for 2.5 MNA and there is nobody to provide them the 0.5 around, since it is surrounded by North, Ontario and a 3 hour long to cross national park.)

So, regions affected by the new report.

Abitibi: Returns to previous situation, doesn't strecht north.
Chaudière-Appalaches: Beauce-Nord (ADQ) isn't abolished but Lotbinière (ADQ) and Frontenac (LIB) are merged.

Eastern Townships/Central Quebec: Redrawing about demands in audiences.

Laurentides-Lanaudière: Map was very bad there. It was redraw. Finally, the new riding is based on the city of Repentigny.

Laval: The proposed riding of Marc-Aurèle-Fortin will be named Sainte-Rose.

Montérégie: The proposed new riding, which was to be called Roussillon, then Lignery will be called Sanguinet, finally.

I was just on the Elections Quebec website yesterday looking for the updated map and they said that the process had been halted for some reason? Has something changed?


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http://www.electionsquebec.qc.ca/english/news-detail.php?id=3975

Well, National Assembly was refusing to hear the report. They now accept, but, even if they vote the map, it can't be enacted until the Boundary Commission has its three commissionners, because of the law. So, Assembly needs to appoint a third commissionner.
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