Georgia to execute death row inmate tomorrow, who could possibly be innocent
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
April 19, 2024, 05:15:03 PM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  General Politics
  U.S. General Discussion (Moderators: The Dowager Mod, Chancellor Tanterterg)
  Georgia to execute death row inmate tomorrow, who could possibly be innocent
« previous next »
Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 5
Poll
Question: What would you favor for Troy Davis ?
#1
Execution
 
#2
Pardon to life without parole
 
#3
Pardon to life with chance of parole
 
#4
Acquittal
 
Show Pie Chart
Partisan results

Total Voters: 59

Author Topic: Georgia to execute death row inmate tomorrow, who could possibly be innocent  (Read 7137 times)
Free Palestine
FallenMorgan
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,022
United States
Political Matrix
E: -10.00, S: -10.00

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #50 on: September 21, 2011, 10:55:15 PM »

Executed. Smoke and mirrors claims did not hinder justice today.

I'm sure krazen has done more research on this thread topic beyond reading its title.  I'm sure of it.

Certainly quite a bit more than the peanut gallery here, including you, obviously, since the reference flew over your head.

Yes, because we disagree with you, you can freely insult our maturity.
Logged
King
intermoderate
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 29,356
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #51 on: September 21, 2011, 11:00:49 PM »

Are you implying that the jury that sentenced him to die was not majority black? Surely not.

Ah, so if the majority of the jurors are the same race as the defendant, then erroneous testimony and bad evidence is acceptable?
Logged
The world will shine with light in our nightmare
Just Passion Through
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 45,261
Norway


Political Matrix
E: -6.32, S: -7.48

P P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #52 on: September 21, 2011, 11:01:44 PM »

I don't know why people are so surprised clemency was denied.

Here's the supposed killer:




And here's the victim:




You figure it out.

Are you implying that the jury that sentenced him to die was not majority black? Surely not.
Just keep missing the point.
Logged
Joe Republic
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 40,073
Ukraine


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #53 on: September 21, 2011, 11:04:32 PM »

Apologies if this is seen as tasteless, but this whole case just reminded me too much of this:

http://www.theonion.com/video/dna-evidence-frees-black-man-convicted-of-bear-att,14323/
Logged
Fmr President & Senator Polnut
polnut
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 19,489
Australia


Political Matrix
E: -2.71, S: -5.22

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #54 on: September 21, 2011, 11:10:42 PM »

Another one of those scarily apt onion comments

"The girl in question will face the harshest legal treatment, she will be tried as a black adult"
Logged
Napoleon
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 14,892


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #55 on: September 21, 2011, 11:12:37 PM »

Beyond disturbing.
Logged
redcommander
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3,816
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #56 on: September 21, 2011, 11:19:55 PM »

I no longer support the death penalty.
Logged
World politics is up Schmitt creek
Nathan
Moderators
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 34,380


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #57 on: September 21, 2011, 11:30:49 PM »

Pray for the living and the dead.

The living need it more now.
Logged
justW353
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,693
United States


Political Matrix
E: -4.13, S: -3.83

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #58 on: September 21, 2011, 11:44:54 PM »

Logged
Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
North Carolina Yankee
Moderators
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 54,123
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #59 on: September 21, 2011, 11:53:58 PM »

With supporters like this, the death penalty barely even needs any active opponents. Roll Eyes


Idiots all!!! 


I give it 15 years, maybe 20 at most, and in this manner the issue shall be decided.


Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,081
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #60 on: September 21, 2011, 11:56:51 PM »

Horrific.

Can someone who know about Georgia's judicial system explain me why all the appeals were rejected ? I mean, aren't such high doubts about his guilt a sufficient ground to suspend the procedure ?
Logged
The world will shine with light in our nightmare
Just Passion Through
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 45,261
Norway


Political Matrix
E: -6.32, S: -7.48

P P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #61 on: September 22, 2011, 12:01:20 AM »

I never supported it from the start.
Logged
Fmr President & Senator Polnut
polnut
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 19,489
Australia


Political Matrix
E: -2.71, S: -5.22

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #62 on: September 22, 2011, 12:19:24 AM »

Quote
You must be logged in to read this quote.

This is a VERY contradictory statement to make in a legal decision.

By saying 'additional' it suggests that there were doubts surrounding his conviction. Minimal or not, considering the 'beyond a reasonable doubt' standard as well as the fact that it was a capital case - the judicial diligence in this case was appalling. The response from all of the appeals were, the recantations weren't under oath or the evidence has been ruled inadmissible by **** court.

It's also interesting how the prosecutor spoke of the recantations, they were 'suspect' - so given that he clearly brought the 'character' of his witnesses into disrepute ... hmmmm?

I don't think it was an open and shut 'clearly innocent' case - and for me, that's not the point. If there is even a scrap of evidence to suggest that the conviction was based on flawed evidence, let alone coercion ... then a re-trial was warranted.
Logged
Likely Voter
Moderators
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,344


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #63 on: September 22, 2011, 12:46:14 AM »
« Edited: September 22, 2011, 01:07:13 AM by Likely Voter »

This is very sad. Hopefully it will lead to more awareness that the system is flawed and a flawed system should never have death as an option.

It is of course ironic that those who most scream and yell about the state having too much power and how government cant get anything right are the same ones who most support (and at times applaud) the state having the power to kill.
Logged
Miles
MilesC56
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 19,325
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #64 on: September 22, 2011, 12:59:52 AM »

Unacceptable. I've always been against the death penalty for this reason.
Logged
Tender Branson
Mark Warner 08
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,178
Austria


Political Matrix
E: -6.06, S: -4.84

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #65 on: September 22, 2011, 02:08:12 AM »

A moral confession of failure from the state of Georgia.

Very sad to watch such a (racially charged) misjudgement of justice.

Sad
Logged
Sbane
sbane
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 15,303


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #66 on: September 22, 2011, 04:35:18 AM »


Same here. I supported the death penalty but if this is how these cases are handled, then we might as well not have it. I don't want blood on my hands. And that is exactly what this is. Since this is being done in the name of the people, if a person is wrongly executed all the people are guilty.
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,081
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #67 on: September 22, 2011, 05:01:33 AM »

Can someone who know about Georgia's judicial system explain me why all the appeals were rejected ? I mean, aren't such high doubts about his guilt a sufficient ground to suspend the procedure ?
Logged
ilikeverin
Atlas Politician
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 16,409
Timor-Leste


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #68 on: September 22, 2011, 06:28:07 AM »


Same here. I supported the death penalty but if this is how these cases are handled, then we might as well not have it. I don't want blood on my hands. And that is exactly what this is. Since this is being done in the name of the people, if a person is wrongly executed all the people are guilty.

You might want to check out the Innocence Project.  They aren't all death penalty cases, but they show we still have a ways to go in making sure our court system is as fair as possible.
Logged
hawkeye59
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,530
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #69 on: September 22, 2011, 06:28:28 AM »
« Edited: September 22, 2011, 06:33:32 AM by hawkeye59 »

Disgusting. Cases like these are a big reason I oppose the death penalty. An eye for an eye is not a fair legal system. The supreme court, or at least 5 of the justices, have blood on their hands.
Logged
Guderian
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 575


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #70 on: September 22, 2011, 06:30:45 AM »
« Edited: September 22, 2011, 06:43:36 AM by Guderian »

Can someone who know about Georgia's judicial system explain me why all the appeals were rejected ? I mean, aren't such high doubts about his guilt a sufficient ground to suspend the procedure ?

What doubts? State had 34 witnesses, including numerous friends and acquaintances. Later some of his homies decided to retract the testimonies to save him from the needle. Post-trial retractions are widely considered laughable as "proofs" of innocence, especially when there are dozens of witnesses who are not retracting.

And by the way the other victim was black just like Davis, just like the majority of jury that sentenced him to death in less than two hours. He lost the SCOTUS appeal 9-0, and never found one single judge in 20 years of trying that would believe his "ONE-ARMED MAN DID IT!!!" nonsense.
Logged
greenforest32
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,625


Political Matrix
E: -7.94, S: -8.43

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #71 on: September 22, 2011, 06:51:22 AM »

Nobody bothers to question the notion that killing someone for killing someone is really justice.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

I feel you
Logged
Verily
Cuivienen
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 16,663


Political Matrix
E: 1.81, S: -6.78

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #72 on: September 22, 2011, 07:11:41 AM »
« Edited: September 22, 2011, 07:15:23 AM by Revivalism Revivalist »

Can someone who know about Georgia's judicial system explain me why all the appeals were rejected ? I mean, aren't such high doubts about his guilt a sufficient ground to suspend the procedure ?

What doubts? State had 34 witnesses, including numerous friends and acquaintances. Later some of his homies decided to retract the testimonies to save him from the needle. Post-trial retractions are widely considered laughable as "proofs" of innocence, especially when there are dozens of witnesses who are not retracting.

And by the way the other victim was black just like Davis, just like the majority of jury that sentenced him to death in less than two hours. He lost the SCOTUS appeal 9-0, and never found one single judge in 20 years of trying that would believe his "ONE-ARMED MAN DID IT!!!" nonsense.

There weren't "dozens of witnesses". There were 9, of whom 7 recanted, one of whom confessed to the crime himself (not something you're likely to do to protect "your homie"). Take your racism elsewhere.

The fact of the matter is that jury convictions, even incredibly unjust jury convictions, are extraordinarily difficult to overturn, to the point of absurdity. The standard of overturning a jury conviction is literal "proof of innocence", which is just plain impossible for the vast majority of innocent convicts. The Supreme Court made their decision 9-0 because the standard of "proof of innocence" is impossible to meet. There may have been twenty years of appeals, but none of those appeals really stood much chance of exonerating the innocent. A big part of the problem is the irrational respect for jury verdicts.

(In answer the original question, declare a mistrial and start all over--he might well have been guilty, but it certainly was never proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Also, no death penalty regardless, obviously.)
Logged
Grumpier Than Thou
20RP12
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 38,322
United States
Political Matrix
E: -5.29, S: -7.13

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #73 on: September 22, 2011, 07:23:29 AM »

Logged
Guderian
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 575


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #74 on: September 22, 2011, 07:27:27 AM »
« Edited: September 22, 2011, 07:28:59 AM by Guderian »



There weren't "dozens of witnesses". There were 9, of whom 7 recanted, one of whom confessed to the crime himself (not something you're likely to do to protect "your homie"). Take your racism elsewhere.

The fact of the matter is that jury convictions, even incredibly unjust jury convictions, are extraordinarily difficult to overturn, to the point of absurdity. The standard of overturning a jury conviction is literal "proof of innocence", which is just plain impossible for the vast majority of innocent convicts. The Supreme Court made their decision 9-0 because the standard of "proof of innocence" is impossible to meet. There may have been twenty years of appeals, but none of those appeals really stood much chance of exonerating the innocent. A big part of the problem is the irrational respect for jury verdicts.

(In answer the original question, declare a mistrial and start all over--he might well have been guilty, but it certainly was never proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Also, no death penalty regardless, obviously.)

There were 34 witnesses, I suggest you start Googling for relevant legal documents and not Amnesty International & NAACP spin spread through media. You could start with the opinion of Clinton-appointed federal judge William Theodore Moore who found miraculous recantations to be "not credible or partly credible" and the Davis's magic unicorn defense as "largely smoke and mirrors".
Logged
Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 5  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.072 seconds with 14 queries.