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Question: Stolen?
1824   -28 (12.1%)
1876   -72 (31.2%)
1888   -19 (8.2%)
1960   -29 (12.6%)
2000   -63 (27.3%)
2004   -9 (3.9%)
None of them   -11 (4.8%)
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« on: September 21, 2011, 10:38:31 am »
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So which of these elections were stolen?
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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2011, 11:29:33 am »
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Definitely 1876. I'm not sure about any of the others, though.
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2011, 11:04:45 am »
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The first four, but voter fraud abounded in all.
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2011, 11:32:43 am »
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What do you mean by "stolen" ? That the rightfull winner has been deprived of victory, or that the results themselves were rigged ?

All of them but 1960 and 2004 in the first case, only 1876 in the second.
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2011, 12:12:42 pm »
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I'd say 1876, 2000 and none of them. Cool
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« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2011, 05:14:47 pm »
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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2011, 05:17:21 pm »
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Saying that the "rightful winner" was denied the election and calling that stolen is just silly. There is no "rightful winner" in any election and seeing that supposed "rightful winner" ends up loosing is not voter fraud at all, just a regular possible election outcome.
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2011, 06:54:39 pm »
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Saying that the "rightful winner" was denied the election and calling that stolen is just silly. There is no "rightful winner" in any election and seeing that supposed "rightful winner" ends up loosing is not voter fraud at all, just a regular possible election outcome.

1876, arguably, wasn't a regular election outcome: it was not decided by the rules that everybody believed were in place before the election was held.

The rest were fine, of course.
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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2011, 11:05:52 pm »
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2000 and 2004 were rigged in plain sight. 1988 was stolen by The Media.

The Media needs to stick to reporting news and keep its right-wing opinions to itself.
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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2011, 01:27:26 am »
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Clearly any election that a Republican (or JFK) "wins" was rigged.

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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2011, 11:11:29 am »
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2000 and 2004 were rigged in plain sight. 1988 was stolen by The Media.

The Media needs to stick to reporting news and keep its right-wing opinions to itself.

The media stole the elections in 1992, 1996, and 2008 probably 1976 come to think of it as well.
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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2011, 11:16:01 am »
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2000 and 2004 were rigged in plain sight. 1988 was stolen by The Media.

The Media needs to stick to reporting news and keep its right-wing opinions to itself.

The media stole the elections in 1992, 1996, and 2008 probably 1976 come to think of it as well.

How does the media steal elections?
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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2011, 12:49:36 pm »
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How does the media steal elections?

The Media has been actively and deliberately advancing right-wing causes for as long as I've been paying attention.
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How does the media steal elections?

The Media has been actively and deliberately advancing right-wing causes for as long as I've been paying attention.
They are in private ownership, you see.
Not that they're on the right's side on every issue, of course. Or even vote for it much.
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« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2011, 10:27:33 pm »
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1876 and 2000 were outright stolen. 1888 had the popular vote winner lose. 1824 had a backroom deal that denied the popular and electoral vote winner the Presidency.
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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2011, 04:17:28 am »
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1876.

I wouldn't say that 2000 was stolen. Just awarded incorrectly by biased individuals. It's hard for me to call it "stolen" when neither candidate ever really definitively had it in the bag. I don't know. I would have said it was while Bush was in office, though. Maybe I've just gotten soft
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.... 1824 had a backroom deal that denied the popular and electoral vote winner the Presidency.

Jackson was not the electoral vote winner.    To win the electoral vote requires a majority of the electoral votes.  Jackson did not come close to a majority. 

I also dont consider Jackson the popular vote winner.  6 states did not report a popular vote count. 

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« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2011, 06:47:23 am »
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I wouldn't say that 2000 was stolen. Just awarded incorrectly by biased individuals.
It's hard for me to call it "stolen" when neither candidate ever really definitively had it in the bag.

How is that different than 1876?

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How does the media steal elections?

The Media has been actively and deliberately advancing right-wing left-wing causes for as long as I've been paying attention.

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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2011, 04:08:26 pm »
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1876.

I wouldn't say that 2000 was stolen. Just awarded incorrectly by biased individuals. It's hard for me to call it "stolen" when neither candidate ever really definitively had it in the bag. I don't know. I would have said it was while Bush was in office, though. Maybe I've just gotten soft

If you're not accusing the Bush campaign of voter fraud, why would you call 2000 stolen? None of the candidates questioned the legitimacy of the electoral college. Everyone knew beforehand that 270 electors were required to win the election.
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« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2011, 03:25:08 pm »
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How does the media steal elections?

The Media has been actively and deliberately advancing right-wing left-wing causes for as long as I've been paying attention.



Amen to that. The media always unfairly enforces left wing views on the public.
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« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2011, 11:19:13 am »
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"Brokered" might be a better for for 1876.

A deal was cut between the two parties.
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« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2011, 02:31:43 pm »
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Let me add to what I said before. Republicans don't only run against a democratic opponent, we run against a democratic opponent and a much biased liberal media. A big hurdle to overcome in electoral politics.
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« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2011, 03:29:17 pm »
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Let me add to what I said before. Republicans don't only run against a democratic opponent, we run against a democratic opponent and a much biased liberal media. A big hurdle to overcome in electoral politics.


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« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2011, 04:35:01 pm »
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To everybody voting 2000......

You may hate the facts, and maybe the photo-shopping of fake headlines in Michael Moore films has brainwashed you.. but...

The New York Times (essentially the media arm of the Democratic party) spent millions of dollars to recount every single ballot in Florida.. The looked at every single overvote, undervote, illegal vote..

With all their heart and soul they wanted it to be true, but it just wasn't... Bush actually did win Florida...

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/politics/12VOTE.html

Acomprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots from last year's presidential election reveals that George W. Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had ordered to go forward.

Contrary to what many partisans of former Vice President Al Gore have charged, the United States Supreme Court did not award an election to Mr. Bush that otherwise would have been won by Mr. Gore. A close examination of the ballots found that Mr. Bush would have retained a slender margin over Mr. Gore if the Florida court's order to recount more than 43,000 ballots had not been reversed by the United States Supreme Court.

Even under the strategy that Mr. Gore pursued at the beginning of the Florida standoff filing suit to force hand recounts in four predominantly Democratic counties Mr. Bush would have kept his lead, according to the ballot review conducted for a consortium of news organizations.
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